RE: Tesla Full Self Driving: Time For Tea
Discussion
T-195 said:
Constant stop start traffic between London and Amsterdam. Oh really?
You must have picked a very bad day. Or taken a very strange route.
Followed the route Waze suggested all the way and left at 2pm on a Friday a fortnight ago. You must have picked a very bad day. Or taken a very strange route.
Edited to add, stop-start Amsterdam to Calais, just quite slow Dover to London.
Edited by Tony-K on Sunday 28th April 20:21
Paul Dishman said:
Hopefully, the judge will add a couple of years for asinine stupidity
For using the car exactly as the handbook says?How so? Do you feel the same if someone uses cruise control, or maybe changes channel on the radio?
Where do you draw the line in what you think the law allows but you don’t? Listening to music, taking a hands-free call?
fatboy b said:
fblm said:
3795mpower said:
I know that’s a US highway but didn’t that thing just undertake a bunch of
Cars along the way ?
Both legal and totally normal on US highways.Cars along the way ?
fatboy b said:
fblm said:
3795mpower said:
I know that’s a US highway but didn’t that thing just undertake a bunch of
Cars along the way ?
Both legal and totally normal on US highways.Cars along the way ?
fblm said:
fatboy b said:
fblm said:
3795mpower said:
I know that’s a US highway but didn’t that thing just undertake a bunch of
Cars along the way ?
Both legal and totally normal on US highways.Cars along the way ?
T-195 said:
fblm said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Have a read about the Ford Pinto, and Lee Iococca...
Yes, I mentioned 'unsafe at any speed' previously.Ar63 said:
thenorth said:
I watched the 3hr tech explanation video yesterday and was blown away with what they have achieved so far. A lot of the posters on here are uninformed at how quickly this system is learning our driving behaviour and predicting and adapting to changes in conditions. The full autonomous hardware is already in the cars now its just a case of updating the software.
Tesla is on course for 1 million teslas on the road by next year with an average of 1,000 miles per car per month that's a billion miles of real-world driving data/footage the AI is learning from. That's the true differentiator, and the reason the traditional car companies are so far behind and the gap will only get bigger.
Other manufacturers are at least 5 years behind Tesla, the Model S came out in 2012 they are only just getting to that level of automation now in 2019!.
As outlined in this technical article, Teslas don't stream all driving info back to HQ, only things they are asked to look out for or situations where the driver takes over from autonomous mode. But the programmers can then only account for situations they know about. Waymo has had their vehicles send back every single detail of driving but still cant achieve full autonomy. Tesla is on course for 1 million teslas on the road by next year with an average of 1,000 miles per car per month that's a billion miles of real-world driving data/footage the AI is learning from. That's the true differentiator, and the reason the traditional car companies are so far behind and the gap will only get bigger.
Other manufacturers are at least 5 years behind Tesla, the Model S came out in 2012 they are only just getting to that level of automation now in 2019!.
A true self driving car needs intuition, and I doubt I will see anything like that in my lifetime. How many times have you 'felt' something was going to happen based on someone's behaviour and adjusted your own driving accordingly?
fblm said:
It's legal in every state I've driven in. Where are you claiming it is not?
I've certainly seen signs in America saying 'no passing on the right', not sure where, New Jersey or New York I think, it could just be on specific roads rather than a statewide thing but there are places where it is illegal. It is a rule in most states that slower traffic keeps right, that could be what Fatboy b is alluding to?Dark85 said:
fblm said:
It's legal in every state I've driven in. Where are you claiming it is not?
I've certainly seen signs in America saying 'no passing on the right', not sure where, New Jersey or New York I think, it could just be on specific roads rather than a statewide thing but there are places where it is illegal. It is a rule in most states that slower traffic keeps right, that could be what Fatboy b is alluding to?donteatpeople said:
Ar63 said:
thenorth said:
I watched the 3hr tech explanation video yesterday and was blown away with what they have achieved so far. A lot of the posters on here are uninformed at how quickly this system is learning our driving behaviour and predicting and adapting to changes in conditions. The full autonomous hardware is already in the cars now its just a case of updating the software.
Tesla is on course for 1 million teslas on the road by next year with an average of 1,000 miles per car per month that's a billion miles of real-world driving data/footage the AI is learning from. That's the true differentiator, and the reason the traditional car companies are so far behind and the gap will only get bigger.
Other manufacturers are at least 5 years behind Tesla, the Model S came out in 2012 they are only just getting to that level of automation now in 2019!.
As outlined in this technical article, Teslas don't stream all driving info back to HQ, only things they are asked to look out for or situations where the driver takes over from autonomous mode. But the programmers can then only account for situations they know about. Waymo has had their vehicles send back every single detail of driving but still cant achieve full autonomy. Tesla is on course for 1 million teslas on the road by next year with an average of 1,000 miles per car per month that's a billion miles of real-world driving data/footage the AI is learning from. That's the true differentiator, and the reason the traditional car companies are so far behind and the gap will only get bigger.
Other manufacturers are at least 5 years behind Tesla, the Model S came out in 2012 they are only just getting to that level of automation now in 2019!.
A true self driving car needs intuition, and I doubt I will see anything like that in my lifetime. How many times have you 'felt' something was going to happen based on someone's behaviour and adjusted your own driving accordingly?
donteatpeople said:
Intuition isn't magic, it's spotting anomalies in patterns. That's the type of task machine learning excels at.
if this is true, then it begs the question why the likes of Waymo, which capture a massive amount of data to feed into their AI, can't achieve a full self driving car. Just the other week I had to do a foggy 50 mile drive to Gatwick at 3.30am and follow diversions on the M25 along the way. Quite a stressful experience when you have your family depending on you to get there on time for a long awaited holiday. If there was technology to do that for me, I'd be all up for it.
But the reality is whether they use cameras or LIDAR or radar or any other technology, you can't come close to the ability of humans to pick out behaviour and act on it.
Our brains perform one thousand trillion logical operations per second in a block of matter which weighs roughly 1.5kg and consumes 15 watts of power.
The Blue Water supercomputer has an equivalent processing capability and occupies ~2,000 square meters of floor space, consumes ~15,000,000 watts, requires a complex cooling system. ( source)
The latest Tesla chips have the capability for 144 trillion operations per second.
I know this is very science-y, but to me the amazing capabilities of our brain, particularity when it comes to scenarios we have never come across before, is exactly why you can't program a machine to act in the same way.
I think the most difficult part of the autopilot scenario is the trust issue, and worrying by the human driver and passengers.
Especially in the initial stages when the ultimate responsibility for an accident lies with them.
As you are sat there daydreaming an issue is developing on the road ahead, congestion, something backing out of a drive, sheep on the road 1/2 a mile ahead whatever.
Your attention is likely then focussed on 'what is the car going to do?', will it react at all, will it react in time, will it do something less than optimal. Etc etc
You wait expectantly, heart rate and adrenaline rising until.. ..
it swerves towards the lady and pram on the pavement, or perhaps worse nothing happens!!!
you have to then grab control back from it and respond urgently to the situation.
You negotiate the issue and then settle back as the beaded sweat on your brow is wiped away, your nerves calm, heart rate falls, and you press resume on the mp3 player.. Until the next time...
It's going to take a lot (enormous amount) before the driver can face backwards and chat to the passengers totally relaxed...
(Best to have opaque windows in that scenario)
Especially in the initial stages when the ultimate responsibility for an accident lies with them.
As you are sat there daydreaming an issue is developing on the road ahead, congestion, something backing out of a drive, sheep on the road 1/2 a mile ahead whatever.
Your attention is likely then focussed on 'what is the car going to do?', will it react at all, will it react in time, will it do something less than optimal. Etc etc
You wait expectantly, heart rate and adrenaline rising until.. ..
it swerves towards the lady and pram on the pavement, or perhaps worse nothing happens!!!
you have to then grab control back from it and respond urgently to the situation.
You negotiate the issue and then settle back as the beaded sweat on your brow is wiped away, your nerves calm, heart rate falls, and you press resume on the mp3 player.. Until the next time...
It's going to take a lot (enormous amount) before the driver can face backwards and chat to the passengers totally relaxed...
(Best to have opaque windows in that scenario)
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