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For all those complaining, what’s the other option to the 320d for those that need decent economy and a new car, 4 seats, decent boot, sub£40K
Audi, awful to drive, just no
Mercedes, better than Audi but still a bit bland
Ford, Mondeo is fwd
Alfa, er?
Passat, dull as dishwater
Renault, no
Citroen, no
Seat, no
Jaguar, old mans car, no, but prolly the only sane competition
This is why they sell.
Model: BMW 320d Sport Auto
Price: £36,700
Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl turbodiesel
Power/torque: 187bhp/400Nm
Transmission: Eight-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
0-62mph: 6.8 seconds
Top speed: 149mph
Economy/CO2: 65.7mpg/112g
For a diesel bus it’s pretty good going. And on the road the auto gives it good pace cross country, whilst rushing to those important sales meetings (thought I’d chuck one in to appease the nurds)
Audi, awful to drive, just no
Mercedes, better than Audi but still a bit bland
Ford, Mondeo is fwd
Alfa, er?
Passat, dull as dishwater
Renault, no
Citroen, no
Seat, no
Jaguar, old mans car, no, but prolly the only sane competition
This is why they sell.
Model: BMW 320d Sport Auto
Price: £36,700
Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl turbodiesel
Power/torque: 187bhp/400Nm
Transmission: Eight-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
0-62mph: 6.8 seconds
Top speed: 149mph
Economy/CO2: 65.7mpg/112g
For a diesel bus it’s pretty good going. And on the road the auto gives it good pace cross country, whilst rushing to those important sales meetings (thought I’d chuck one in to appease the nurds)
LuS1fer said:
Ah yes, RWD for all those driving gods, sliding with a dab of oppo round every bend.
I wonder if they will sell any less when they turn FWD or whether they will finally have to conceded that no-one will really notice.
No, those that don’t want scrabbling understeer and wheel spin. Like an Audi. I wonder if they will sell any less when they turn FWD or whether they will finally have to conceded that no-one will really notice.
I’m sure some won’t care but I do, and I’m no driving god, just someone who enjoys driving.
Mike335i said:
I would notice. You make it sound like RWD is a bad thing? Why do you think that?
As for the original point being made, I was having a look out for the awkward bonnet line and noticed that loads of cars have it, from Fiesta to B Class to Toyotas and many others, so not just a BMW issue.
I’d guess he’d not notice if his...Ford Mustang GT (Supercharged) GT (2005), a double GT no less, was front wheel drive As for the original point being made, I was having a look out for the awkward bonnet line and noticed that loads of cars have it, from Fiesta to B Class to Toyotas and many others, so not just a BMW issue.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th April 20:15
LuS1fer said:
My, how we laughed at such astute wit.
I have a Fiesta ST Mountune too which is just as much and probably more fun to drive. You're not going to get far trying to sell me a diesel BMW against it.
I come from an era where most cars were RWD and when FWD cars were a novelty but everyone wanted a Mini Cooper S. It's not a defining requirement for me or most people which end is driven and I wouldn't buy a car with a car crash face just for that reason.
My motorbike is RWD though and I wouldn't have that any other way.
We should laugh, and with gusto at your attempt to ridicule. Your ‘motorbike’ is a gutless wheeze and you’re barking up the tree of everything wrong trying to call out someone raised on various fwd cars, leading to the DC2. I had several Mini’s, when they were actually a thing, 850, 1100, 1275 etc. I have a Fiesta ST Mountune too which is just as much and probably more fun to drive. You're not going to get far trying to sell me a diesel BMW against it.
I come from an era where most cars were RWD and when FWD cars were a novelty but everyone wanted a Mini Cooper S. It's not a defining requirement for me or most people which end is driven and I wouldn't buy a car with a car crash face just for that reason.
My motorbike is RWD though and I wouldn't have that any other way.
The point you’re missing, well two. Or Three.
One, supposedly you enjoy a Mustang. You chose this obviously because it’s rwd and fun?
Two. The Mustang looks like it’s already been crashed, backwards into 1985.
Three. The 320d is a working vehicle. It’s not something that I’d hang my hat on as a fun car. But it’s perfect as a tool for the job.
ericmcn said:
nothing wrong with answering back to yonex is there? my car has indeed an FM radio and a whole lot more kit than the misers at BMW offer - the front of it doesnt look like a 6 year old designed it on sketch a doodle either which helps greatly.
You’re not the demographic for the 3 series. I’m sure BMW aren’t overly bothered LuS1fer said:
A somewhat pathetic attempt at ridiculing a motor bike faster than 90 % of most cars on acceleration. I've had a CBR 1000 but the SV with low weight and 71hp is just fine.
1. RWD is appropriate for a car with more than 450hp so RWD is pretty much a default choice. Would I be happy with a 350hp FWD and could I have just as much fun, if not more? Yes.
2. As the best selling sports coupe in the world, you might be in a minority there. The almost zero depreciation and public adulation also shreds your argument but it is of course subjective. That said, there is a common perception of what looks good. Besides which, it was 1968 not 1985 and the irony is that BMW have clung to the same 3 series blueprint since the 70s yet have ended up with this.
3. A Ford ST and many other cars are perfect for a given job. So is my fridge but it's a functional object with other alternatives but looks better.
It’s not my fault your perception of a quick motorcycle or an interesting car differs from mine. Your daft statement dismissing person perefences for rear, over front wheel drive using the old ‘driving god’ bs (how we laughed) makes you look a bit daft. 1. RWD is appropriate for a car with more than 450hp so RWD is pretty much a default choice. Would I be happy with a 350hp FWD and could I have just as much fun, if not more? Yes.
2. As the best selling sports coupe in the world, you might be in a minority there. The almost zero depreciation and public adulation also shreds your argument but it is of course subjective. That said, there is a common perception of what looks good. Besides which, it was 1968 not 1985 and the irony is that BMW have clung to the same 3 series blueprint since the 70s yet have ended up with this.
3. A Ford ST and many other cars are perfect for a given job. So is my fridge but it's a functional object with other alternatives but looks better.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 26th April 07:29
So 350 is the new arbitrary limit now? Caterham etc must have it all wrong, Lotus, pah.
If you’re going to build an argument why rwd is suitable the Mustang isn’t a great choice. Try an Elise and tell me it’s be more fun with fwd.
Maybe you don’t care, but others do.
Touring442 said:
I can't say I noticed that. I drove a mate's 2014 A4 TDI over the snake pass to Glossop not long ago, and it was a pretty decent car. I was punting it along at a fair old lick and didn't bring the traction light on once. FWD has come a long way since the Allegro.
The A4 is a heap of crap. I have no idea why anyone would actually choose one over the competition. Over service brakes, poor low down grunt, horrible boosty power delivery. As for understeer, not the worst but in the wet traction isn’t great. One of the worst cars I’ve owned. LuS1fer said:
You just like arguing, others have different views.
I have tried an Elise. I even looked at buying one.
Didn't like it. It was noisy, tinny, flimsy and absolutely no fun at all - That's fun for me and let's not define fun or argue about what that is.
Others may care about RWD but far more don't, many probably can't tell the difference - it's not a difficult concept to grasp.
I could tell you to go and drive a new Civic Type R and come back and tell me it would be more fun as a RWD - I haven't driven one but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't find it dull or complain about it being FWD.
So let's just agree to disagree.
It's fine for me, but when someone starts making comments about 'driving gods' in an attempt to belittle the preferences of others it's always going to grate. Personally I don't care, I have owned many different types of cars, the DC2 was one of the most fun cars ever, but as soon as I got into rwd it opened up a whole new world for me. I totally don't accept that the differences cannot be felt, but agree enthusiasts are in the minority, with pretty much everything it appears. I have tried an Elise. I even looked at buying one.
Didn't like it. It was noisy, tinny, flimsy and absolutely no fun at all - That's fun for me and let's not define fun or argue about what that is.
Others may care about RWD but far more don't, many probably can't tell the difference - it's not a difficult concept to grasp.
I could tell you to go and drive a new Civic Type R and come back and tell me it would be more fun as a RWD - I haven't driven one but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't find it dull or complain about it being FWD.
So let's just agree to disagree.
Anyway back OT
It appears nobody has come up with a viable alternative still.
nickfrog said:
WJNB said:
Makes you sick that somebody gets paid oodles of dosh to come up with that.
The entire looks shrieks Germanic domineering arrogance.
Woe betide any deluded superior being who tries to tail-gate me in that.
You're probably reading a little bit too much into it. The entire looks shrieks Germanic domineering arrogance.
Woe betide any deluded superior being who tries to tail-gate me in that.
Little Englander me thinks.
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DoubleD said:
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kambites said:
DoubleD said:
Are there any 350bhp FWD cars?
Not 350bhp as standard. 
Barga said:
You do know the throttle is not an on off switch?
Yes, but, even with 200HP in my old Integra after 3-4000 miles the edges would wear off the fronts and it ruined the turn in. I cannot imagine the sort of witchcraft necessary to tame 350HP. I would just make the chassis RWD and be done with it.Barga said:
This is an extract from Autocar road test with the 5 series!
The XF feels like a natural athlete, suffusing even its everyday motorway gait with a flavour of its softly sprung, effortless brilliance, and it makes the 5 Series feel like a journeyman – a gifted amateur, perhaps – with a practised but not nearly so polished routine.
Opinions vary but the fact is people are badge brainwashed imo.
‘Suffusing even its everyday motorway gait’The XF feels like a natural athlete, suffusing even its everyday motorway gait with a flavour of its softly sprung, effortless brilliance, and it makes the 5 Series feel like a journeyman – a gifted amateur, perhaps – with a practised but not nearly so polished routine.
Opinions vary but the fact is people are badge brainwashed imo.
Jesus wept, reason enough not to buy one. How about, despite being very good, the Jaguar can’t shake off it’s image problem.
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