The new 3er, thank F*** they've......

[Ares]

DoubleD said:

Ares said:

DoubleD said:

Ares said:

kambites said:

DoubleD said:

Are there any 350bhp FWD cars?

Not 350bhp as standard.

Probably a good reason for it....

So if there arent any then maybe thats why you cant think of a good one?

....which was my point....

Ha ha no it wasnt

No really, it was.

[anonymous-user]

Ares said:

DoubleD said:

Ares said:

DoubleD said:

Ares said:

kambites said:

DoubleD said:

Are there any 350bhp FWD cars?

Not 350bhp as standard.

Probably a good reason for it....

So if there arent any then maybe thats why you cant think of a good one?

....which was my point....

Ha ha no it wasnt

No really, it was.

Well then you were wrong as there was a 350bhp fwd Focus RS500.

[anonymous-user]

Elatino1 said:

Well then you were wrong as there was a 350bhp fwd Focus RS500.

Which was great, with brand new front tyres

Otherwise a bit pointless.

[Mastodon2]

The bonnet is an improvement over the old one, the kidney grilles look kind of cheapo but not terribly offensive. That high front overhang is hideous though.

[Barga]

yonex said:

Elatino1 said:

Well then you were wrong as there was a 350bhp fwd Focus RS500.

Which was great, with brand new front tyres

Otherwise a bit pointless.

You do know the throttle is not an on off switch?

[Ares]

Barga said:

yonex said:

Elatino1 said:

Well then you were wrong as there was a 350bhp fwd Focus RS500.

Which was great, with brand new front tyres

Otherwise a bit pointless.

You do know the throttle is not an on off switch?

But if you used all 345bhp (not 350bhp ) then it wasn't good....which is why they don't still make it and have replaced with AWD. QED.

[anonymous-user]

Barga said:

You do know the throttle is not an on off switch?

Yes, but, even with 200HP in my old Integra after 3-4000 miles the edges would wear off the fronts and it ruined the turn in. I cannot imagine the sort of witchcraft necessary to tame 350HP. I would just make the chassis RWD and be done with it.

[Barga]

Ares said:

Barga said:

yonex said:

Elatino1 said:

Well then you were wrong as there was a 350bhp fwd Focus RS500.

Which was great, with brand new front tyres

Otherwise a bit pointless.

You do know the throttle is not an on off switch?

But if you used all 345bhp (not 350bhp ) then it wasn't good....which is why they don't still make it and have replaced with AWD. QED.

As BMW have done with the 140i going AWD!

[Fox-]

Barga said:

People choose BMW ,Merc and Audi over the Alfa and Jag because of brand snobbery first and very little to do with dealers because most JLR showrooms are state of the art and the monthlies on the XE are pretty competitive but sheepole like iPhones over cheaper inferior competitors and it’s the same with cars especially in that segment.

People buy BMW, Mercedes and Audi over Jag because the cars are simply better. It's that simple. I wanted to like the XF - I put 2500 miles on n X260 Portfolio as a rental - but it couldn't hold a candle to the old shape 5 Series let alone the current one. It felt like a posh Kia.

[Barga]

Fox- said:

Barga said:

People choose BMW ,Merc and Audi over the Alfa and Jag because of brand snobbery first and very little to do with dealers because most JLR showrooms are state of the art and the monthlies on the XE are pretty competitive but sheepole like iPhones over cheaper inferior competitors and it’s the same with cars especially in that segment.

People buy BMW, Mercedes and Audi over Jag because the cars are simply better. It's that simple. I wanted to like the XF - I put 2500 miles on n X260 Portfolio as a rental - but it couldn't hold a candle to the old shape 5 Series let alone the current one. It felt like a posh Kia.

This is an extract from Autocar road test with the 5 series!

The XF feels like a natural athlete, suffusing even its everyday motorway gait with a flavour of its softly sprung, effortless brilliance, and it makes the 5 Series feel like a journeyman – a gifted amateur, perhaps – with a practised but not nearly so polished routine.

Opinions vary but the fact is people are badge brainwashed imo.

[Mike335i]

Barga said:

As BMW have done with the 140i going AWD!

But that is for packaging reasons though as it is essentially now a FWD platform. So to tame the additional power it needs AWD.

Such a shame as RWD was one of the reasons it stood out from the crowd.

[JonnyVTEC]

Barga said:

As BMW have done with the 140i going AWD!

From a FWD platform rather than changing RWD to AWD

[Barga]

Mike335i said:

Barga said:

As BMW have done with the 140i going AWD!

But that is for packaging reasons though as it is essentially now a FWD platform. So to tame the additional power it needs AWD.

Such a shame as RWD was one of the reasons it stood out from the crowd.

And the M5?

[anonymous-user]

Barga said:

This is an extract from Autocar road test with the 5 series!

The XF feels like a natural athlete, suffusing even its everyday motorway gait with a flavour of its softly sprung, effortless brilliance, and it makes the 5 Series feel like a journeyman – a gifted amateur, perhaps – with a practised but not nearly so polished routine.

Opinions vary but the fact is people are badge brainwashed imo.

‘Suffusing even its everyday motorway gait’



Jesus wept, reason enough not to buy one. How about, despite being very good, the Jaguar can’t shake off it’s image problem.

[Mike335i]

Barga said:

And the M5?

Has a RWD mode and clearly not a FWD based platform.

[Touring442]

The latest CAR test said, in essence, that the 3 Series was the one you'd buy but the Giulia is the car you actually want. The Alfa drives better....

[Barga]

Mike335i said:

Barga said:

And the M5?

Has a RWD mode and clearly not a FWD based platform.

But why has it gone AWD?

[Barga]

Touring442 said:

The latest CAR test said, in essence, that the 3 Series was the one you'd buy but the Giulia is the car you actually want. The Alfa drives better....

“It’s the one you would actually want” but they don’t sell even if it “drives better”

Badge engineering.

[Mike335i]

Barga said:

But why has it gone AWD?

To make it more drivable, safely, for more people of varying skill. It has got 600hp or thereabouts.

I think AWD had become a marketing thing too, it is seen by many as desirable so it doesn't matter if it helps, hinders or does nothing at all as people will pay for it.

[Barga]

Mike335i said:

Barga said:

But why has it gone AWD?

To make it more drivable, safely, for more people of varying skill. It has got 600hp or thereabouts.

I think AWD had become a marketing thing too, it is seen by many as desirable so it doesn't matter if it helps, hinders or does nothing at all as people will pay for it.

Exactly!