RE: Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Audi R8 RWS: PH Video!
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Sledgehammer said:
Pedestrians get out cameras everywhere for the RWS. They physically point with outstretched arms telling their friend, R8!
Not sure if serious ? many on here seem to think this is a great thing , if you want to get attention buy a green lambs but most of us would rather have something like a 911 that delivers without being ostentatious- and some prefer to stay in a BMW M car although that option is becoming less appealing with their recent carsdvshannow said:
Not sure if serious ? many on here seem to think this is a great thing , if you want to get attention buy a green lambs but most of us would rather have something like a 911 that delivers without being ostentatious- and some prefer to stay in a BMW M car although that option is becoming less appealing with their recent cars
The R8 gets a lot of attention and all positive I found. As in young lads wanting to take selfies with it or asking politely to sit in it, dads taking pics of them doing so. People letting you out at junctions, kids taking pics on motorways. It wasn't bought for that reason and at times was unexpected but funny to see.
You get the same effect with a Sunbeam Lotus with middle aged rally fans lol.
anonymous said:
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I think he means visually and I agree that visually they are too similar. One of the things that stops me getting an R8 is that visually IMO its not that special, especially from the front, the Audi grill doesn't help it, like the BMW grill doesn't help the I8.
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blueg33 said:
One of the things that stops me getting an R8 is that visually IMO its not that special, especially from the front,
Totally agree. When I buy a sports car I want it to look like a sports car, not a range of saloons and hatches.anonymous said:
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It’s a lazy and cliched argument that also applies to AV185’s gt3 and GT2 which to many will just be a nondescript Porsche. You can’t have it both ways. Only a complete moron would mistake an r8 for a TT. If you don’t buy one because you’re afraid it won’t look exclusive enough you’re buying a car for very questionable reasons in the first place, they are fantastic cars. Plus it’s going to cost you a lot of extra money to drive something as good or slightly better with an even more premium badge
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My knowledge off Audi cars is limited but the Audi R8 stands out whenever I see one, it looks special imho, see one in a kingfisher blue recently that looked stunning. If we're on about expensive cars that resemble cheaper models of the same brand surely AMG Mercs must get that award with Porsche running a close second.
blueg33 said:
When I had the R8 I generally didn’t feel compelled to look back at it as I walked off often parking, and for me that’s part of having a sports car. I have had my current car for 2 years and still look back at it and gjink “wow, that’s actually mine.”
Come on. R8 with glass engine cover and led illuminated carbon fibre engine bay, metal open manual gate and leather / carbon fibre interior. Large carbon fibre side blades. That’s pretty exotic. There aren’t any non supercars with that many of those sorts of design features, Whether the car is a supercar or not. Evora is a well resolved but functional design by contrast surely. Not knocking the Evora but it’s a drivers car first and foremost
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I find myself looking back at mine all the time in fact I park it in a space at our office where I can look down on it from my desk. Stunning car.
jakesmith said:
Come on. R8 with glass engine cover and led illuminated carbon fibre engine bay, metal open manual gate and leather / carbon fibre interior. Large carbon fibre side blades. That’s pretty exotic. There aren’t any non supercars with that many of those sorts of design features, Whether the car is a supercar or not.
Evora is a well resolved but functional design by contrast surely. Not knocking the Evora but it’s a drivers car first and foremost
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I find myself looking back at mine all the time in fact I park it in a space at our office where I can look down on it from my desk. Stunning car.
Yes the glossy cf bits on an R8 look nice and in some colours (Sepang?) look good, but take a few steps back and IMO its less exciting. Looks are totally subjective, but I get more comments in a week (usually from attractive 30-40year old ladies) than I got with the R8,and this week in the station car park there was an R8 2 spaces from my car, its driver got off the same train. 2 people came over an commented on my car, no one commented on the R8.Evora is a well resolved but functional design by contrast surely. Not knocking the Evora but it’s a drivers car first and foremost
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I find myself looking back at mine all the time in fact I park it in a space at our office where I can look down on it from my desk. Stunning car.
I think the Evora is less a functional form than say an Elise or Exige.
Of the two R8 v 911 i think the R8 looks best, but would you really say this (my Evora) is just a functional design. Its certainly no less resolved than an R8.
As I say, looks are totally subjective. I prefer the Evora to the the or 911, but I think the R8 looks better than a Gallardo.
I do love the R8's engines though, booth the V8 and the V10
blueg33 said:
jakesmith said:
Come on. R8 with glass engine cover and led illuminated carbon fibre engine bay, metal open manual gate and leather / carbon fibre interior. Large carbon fibre side blades. That’s pretty exotic. There aren’t any non supercars with that many of those sorts of design features, Whether the car is a supercar or not.
Evora is a well resolved but functional design by contrast surely. Not knocking the Evora but it’s a drivers car first and foremost
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I find myself looking back at mine all the time in fact I park it in a space at our office where I can look down on it from my desk. Stunning car.
Yes the glossy cf bits on an R8 look nice and in some colours (Sepang?) look good, but take a few steps back and IMO its less exciting. Looks are totally subjective, but I get more comments in a week (usually from attractive 30-40year old ladies) than I got with the R8,and this week in the station car park there was an R8 2 spaces from my car, its driver got off the same train. 2 people came over an commented on my car, no one commented on the R8.Evora is a well resolved but functional design by contrast surely. Not knocking the Evora but it’s a drivers car first and foremost
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I find myself looking back at mine all the time in fact I park it in a space at our office where I can look down on it from my desk. Stunning car.
I think the Evora is less a functional form than say an Elise or Exige.
Of the two R8 v 911 i think the R8 looks best, but would you really say this (my Evora) is just a functional design. Its certainly no less resolved than an R8.
As I say, looks are totally subjective. I prefer the Evora to the the or 911, but I think the R8 looks better than a Gallardo.
I do love the R8's engines though, booth the V8 and the V10
This is why the R8 would fail as a track car and as a truly challenging drivers car requiring skill and input to extract max performance. Inert steering over servoed brakes overweight body which would kill the brakes and tyres in a few laps.
Think in a similar vein the Maseratic Mc Stradale. Yes a car full of character sounds good good pedigree etc etc but essentially outmoded overweight mediocre performance and a rather diluted driving experience and similar to the R8 requiring little driver skill to extract the best from the car.
In contrast the Performante and latest basic Hurracan do pass the supercar test imo as they fit the above criteria from a challenging drivers perspective.
It doesn’t feel like you’ve driven one to be honest. Maybe try a v10 manual and then say you don’t like how it drives
For a start you can get one as a manual and the gate requires a high degree of precision to make fast changes. On that degree alone it is demanding and engaging to drive even on normal roads. Very easy to fudge a shift. It also has a clutch pedal and that means you can heel and toe it / do your own blips on downshifts. Personally I find all that more interesting to drive than some automatic that does it all for you.
Many Audi’s have a front biased Quattro system that gives bland handling but the r8 is 95% rwd unless you actually nearly break traction so for most of the time it’s rwd or there about. Maybe you like cornering so hard you oversteer and spin your cars round and end up facing the wrong direction on the road or smashing into lamp posts and hedges. If you don’t drive it like an imbecile the car retains rwd though so not really an issue
Regarding track use, that’s just irrelevant for most or probably almost all owners. If people are too afraid to put more than a few hundred miles a year on the cars due to fear about values, they aren’t going to take them on track. I’ve never seen a Ferarri or Lambo on track and the only time I’ve seen even turbos or gt3 was 997s 10 years ago when they were £45-£50k
Most of these cars will never see a track
The Maserati you mentioned is another brilliant car that isn’t that fast or great at corners but is fantastic to own and drive. It’s not about supercar performance handling and isn’t trying to be. It’s about the looks, the sounds which piss all over any turbo engine, and the ridiculousness of it. your loss if you don’t try one.
For a start you can get one as a manual and the gate requires a high degree of precision to make fast changes. On that degree alone it is demanding and engaging to drive even on normal roads. Very easy to fudge a shift. It also has a clutch pedal and that means you can heel and toe it / do your own blips on downshifts. Personally I find all that more interesting to drive than some automatic that does it all for you.
Many Audi’s have a front biased Quattro system that gives bland handling but the r8 is 95% rwd unless you actually nearly break traction so for most of the time it’s rwd or there about. Maybe you like cornering so hard you oversteer and spin your cars round and end up facing the wrong direction on the road or smashing into lamp posts and hedges. If you don’t drive it like an imbecile the car retains rwd though so not really an issue
Regarding track use, that’s just irrelevant for most or probably almost all owners. If people are too afraid to put more than a few hundred miles a year on the cars due to fear about values, they aren’t going to take them on track. I’ve never seen a Ferarri or Lambo on track and the only time I’ve seen even turbos or gt3 was 997s 10 years ago when they were £45-£50k
Most of these cars will never see a track
The Maserati you mentioned is another brilliant car that isn’t that fast or great at corners but is fantastic to own and drive. It’s not about supercar performance handling and isn’t trying to be. It’s about the looks, the sounds which piss all over any turbo engine, and the ridiculousness of it. your loss if you don’t try one.
av185 said:
This is why the R8 would fail as a track car and as a truly challenging drivers car requiring skill and input to extract max performance. Inert steering over servoed brakes overweight body which would kill the brakes and tyres in a few laps.
Think in a similar vein the Maseratic Mc Stradale. Yes a car full of character sounds good good pedigree etc etc but essentially outmoded overweight mediocre performance and a rather diluted driving experience and similar to the R8 requiring little driver skill to extract the best from the car.
Not everyone is interested in going round a track, some of us like to be seen in a nice car and preferably quite rare which narrows it down a bit these days, more wealth has resulted in a plethora of Astons and Porsches and to a lesser extent Ferraris which were a rare sight once but have now lost the wow factor due to their increasing numbers on the road, here in the South-East the roads are chocker, speed camera vans always seem to conveniently positioned, a clapped out VW Golf would probably be more than adequate for the road conditions.Think in a similar vein the Maseratic Mc Stradale. Yes a car full of character sounds good good pedigree etc etc but essentially outmoded overweight mediocre performance and a rather diluted driving experience and similar to the R8 requiring little driver skill to extract the best from the car.
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