RE: Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Audi R8 RWS: PH Video!
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kbf1981 said:
There's two ways to see this.
I've had a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and a 911.... the Ferrari & Lamborghini were not practical daily drivers, simply because to go anywhere took ages. You'd have people trying to race you, stopping to talk to you when you filled up, and it all took time. They felt special, but were hugely inconvenient.
Sometimes you want a "special" daily driver - I know I do, because I work so much I don't get time to go on Sunday morning drives. My only driving time is with family on weekends (in which case, you need back seats for kids), or commuting to work. A 911 fits into that lifestyle perfectly where nothing else really does.
What other "special" car can you use everyday?
Must have 4 seats.
Must feel special but not make you a target.
Don't want something that depreciates £30k per year (like many AMG's do in their first year)
As lovely as many other 4 seaters are.... there's nothing that is:
1) As technically competent
2) Feels special yet can be used every day
3) Looks special but can be used every day
4) Holds it's value as well
5) Is relatively rare - a lot of people will say "no they're not", but I have yet to see another 992 out in the wild, and the only 911 I see regularly is my neighbours. Ultimately they only sell 3000 x 911's per year in the UK, and that's not a lot - there are 2.5m new cars registered in the UK each year, so 911's make up 0.0012% of all new car sales... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828
6) Fits young children
The only other options are:
- Aston DBS / DB11 etc. - not as good, hemorage money
- Bentley GT - lovely car, but a slightly different thing (more GT than sports car)
- M3/4, RS4/5 etc... - always feels and looks like a 4 series / saloon car, as nice as they are, and again, hemorage money
A 911 is the fastest A-B 4 seater on a typical British road you can buy, that's also comfortable, and a lovely place to sit. It holds its value well, will always be a nice car, and you know exactly what you're getting into when you buy one (no mystery depreciation ala F-Type, Tesla, AMG, Aston etc). Plus they're just very good. My standard 992 C2S can crack 124mph in 10 seconds, and has a 7min24 Nurburing time....from a car that I can talk to, that has surround sound, and a heated steering wheel.
Nail on the head. I completely get what you are trying to say even if people are trying to pick it all apart.I've had a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and a 911.... the Ferrari & Lamborghini were not practical daily drivers, simply because to go anywhere took ages. You'd have people trying to race you, stopping to talk to you when you filled up, and it all took time. They felt special, but were hugely inconvenient.
Sometimes you want a "special" daily driver - I know I do, because I work so much I don't get time to go on Sunday morning drives. My only driving time is with family on weekends (in which case, you need back seats for kids), or commuting to work. A 911 fits into that lifestyle perfectly where nothing else really does.
What other "special" car can you use everyday?
Must have 4 seats.
Must feel special but not make you a target.
Don't want something that depreciates £30k per year (like many AMG's do in their first year)
As lovely as many other 4 seaters are.... there's nothing that is:
1) As technically competent
2) Feels special yet can be used every day
3) Looks special but can be used every day
4) Holds it's value as well
5) Is relatively rare - a lot of people will say "no they're not", but I have yet to see another 992 out in the wild, and the only 911 I see regularly is my neighbours. Ultimately they only sell 3000 x 911's per year in the UK, and that's not a lot - there are 2.5m new cars registered in the UK each year, so 911's make up 0.0012% of all new car sales... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828
6) Fits young children
The only other options are:
- Aston DBS / DB11 etc. - not as good, hemorage money
- Bentley GT - lovely car, but a slightly different thing (more GT than sports car)
- M3/4, RS4/5 etc... - always feels and looks like a 4 series / saloon car, as nice as they are, and again, hemorage money
A 911 is the fastest A-B 4 seater on a typical British road you can buy, that's also comfortable, and a lovely place to sit. It holds its value well, will always be a nice car, and you know exactly what you're getting into when you buy one (no mystery depreciation ala F-Type, Tesla, AMG, Aston etc). Plus they're just very good. My standard 992 C2S can crack 124mph in 10 seconds, and has a 7min24 Nurburing time....from a car that I can talk to, that has surround sound, and a heated steering wheel.
blueg33 said:
kbf1981 said:
There's two ways to see this.
I've had a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and a 911.... the Ferrari & Lamborghini were not practical daily drivers, simply because to go anywhere took ages. You'd have people trying to race you, stopping to talk to you when you filled up, and it all took time. They felt special, but were hugely inconvenient.
Sometimes you want a "special" daily driver - I know I do, because I work so much I don't get time to go on Sunday morning drives. My only driving time is with family on weekends (in which case, you need back seats for kids), or commuting to work. A 911 fits into that lifestyle perfectly where nothing else really does.
What other "special" car can you use everyday?
Must have 4 seats.
Must feel special but not make you a target.
Don't want something that depreciates £30k per year (like many AMG's do in their first year)
As lovely as many other 4 seaters are.... there's nothing that is:
1) As technically competent
2) Feels special yet can be used every day
3) Looks special but can be used every day
4) Holds it's value as well
5) Is relatively rare - a lot of people will say "no they're not", but I have yet to see another 992 out in the wild, and the only 911 I see regularly is my neighbours. Ultimately they only sell 3000 x 911's per year in the UK, and that's not a lot - there are 2.5m new cars registered in the UK each year, so 911's make up 0.0012% of all new car sales... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828
6) Fits young children
The only other options are:
- Aston DBS / DB11 etc. - not as good, hemorage money
- Bentley GT - lovely car, but a slightly different thing (more GT than sports car)
- M3/4, RS4/5 etc... - always feels and looks like a 4 series / saloon car, as nice as they are, and again, hemorage money
A 911 is the fastest A-B 4 seater on a typical British road you can buy, that's also comfortable, and a lovely place to sit. It holds its value well, will always be a nice car, and you know exactly what you're getting into when you buy one (no mystery depreciation ala F-Type, Tesla, AMG, Aston etc). Plus they're just very good. My standard 992 C2S can crack 124mph in 10 seconds, and has a 7min24 Nurburing time....from a car that I can talk to, that has surround sound, and a heated steering wheel.
That was my brief. I have a lotus Evora as a daily. I bought used but after 20k miles it’s still worth what I paid, it is reliable, gives great sense of occasion, is a nice place to sit and is rare compared to 911. I've had a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and a 911.... the Ferrari & Lamborghini were not practical daily drivers, simply because to go anywhere took ages. You'd have people trying to race you, stopping to talk to you when you filled up, and it all took time. They felt special, but were hugely inconvenient.
Sometimes you want a "special" daily driver - I know I do, because I work so much I don't get time to go on Sunday morning drives. My only driving time is with family on weekends (in which case, you need back seats for kids), or commuting to work. A 911 fits into that lifestyle perfectly where nothing else really does.
What other "special" car can you use everyday?
Must have 4 seats.
Must feel special but not make you a target.
Don't want something that depreciates £30k per year (like many AMG's do in their first year)
As lovely as many other 4 seaters are.... there's nothing that is:
1) As technically competent
2) Feels special yet can be used every day
3) Looks special but can be used every day
4) Holds it's value as well
5) Is relatively rare - a lot of people will say "no they're not", but I have yet to see another 992 out in the wild, and the only 911 I see regularly is my neighbours. Ultimately they only sell 3000 x 911's per year in the UK, and that's not a lot - there are 2.5m new cars registered in the UK each year, so 911's make up 0.0012% of all new car sales... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828
6) Fits young children
The only other options are:
- Aston DBS / DB11 etc. - not as good, hemorage money
- Bentley GT - lovely car, but a slightly different thing (more GT than sports car)
- M3/4, RS4/5 etc... - always feels and looks like a 4 series / saloon car, as nice as they are, and again, hemorage money
A 911 is the fastest A-B 4 seater on a typical British road you can buy, that's also comfortable, and a lovely place to sit. It holds its value well, will always be a nice car, and you know exactly what you're getting into when you buy one (no mystery depreciation ala F-Type, Tesla, AMG, Aston etc). Plus they're just very good. My standard 992 C2S can crack 124mph in 10 seconds, and has a 7min24 Nurburing time....from a car that I can talk to, that has surround sound, and a heated steering wheel.
I see multiple 911’s every day, I see an Evora less than once a month. If rareity is a motive a 911 doesn’t meet the brief.
Not sure why that would be but I’m sure there must be a reason, and that someone will enlighten me.
Personally I’d have a 911 in a flash over virtually any competitors (despite not being able to afford a new one..)
anonymous said:
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Somebody might have already replied to this, but I for one disagree: during that time, somewhere in the region of 500,000,000 cars will be built. 911s will therefore make up 0.05% of the car market over the next seven years. I would argue that 1 in 2,000 is rare. Maybe we just disagree on what rare means!I scuttle up and down either the M90 and M9, in and out of Edinburgh, from and to Perthshire.
Depressingly, I very rarely see anything of any interest. (Oh God! I used the rare word....!!!!!
)
I'll see the occasional Porsche Cayenne and Macan during the week, but it can be months between sightings of any 911 incarnation, Aston, Ferrari, etc.
Now this isn't Knightsbridge, which I regard as a very good thing. So up here, by any yardstick, a 911 is rare. Other marques are rarer.
The last sighting of interest was a McLaren coming off the Bannockburn slip towards Edinburgh. No idea what model it was, because my schoolboy top trumps skills have long since deserted me. It was lovely to see as such sightings are so infrequent.
Depressingly, I very rarely see anything of any interest. (Oh God! I used the rare word....!!!!!
)I'll see the occasional Porsche Cayenne and Macan during the week, but it can be months between sightings of any 911 incarnation, Aston, Ferrari, etc.
Now this isn't Knightsbridge, which I regard as a very good thing. So up here, by any yardstick, a 911 is rare. Other marques are rarer.
The last sighting of interest was a McLaren coming off the Bannockburn slip towards Edinburgh. No idea what model it was, because my schoolboy top trumps skills have long since deserted me. It was lovely to see as such sightings are so infrequent.
I think the guy who said that 991s are 'rare' just meant that they aren't common in the wider context. I don't think he meant for a moment that they are a limited run, special order car.
I suspect his comment was in response to people always moaning that 911s are common and everywhere. They definitely aren't rare but as a £100k + car there are many parts of the country where you won't see many of them.
I live in London and though there are plenty of Porsches you can drive around many parts and not see a 911 all day.
So NOT a common car, that's all the guy meant and he is right.
I suspect his comment was in response to people always moaning that 911s are common and everywhere. They definitely aren't rare but as a £100k + car there are many parts of the country where you won't see many of them.
I live in London and though there are plenty of Porsches you can drive around many parts and not see a 911 all day.
So NOT a common car, that's all the guy meant and he is right.
anonymous said:
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So your assumption is that because I am swearing that I must be angry? Well that's the second time you've assumed something incorrectly in this thread and made a t
t of yourself so at least you are a consistent prick. I've really no need to up my game for the sake of a knob like you have I?How about you up your game and come to the same conclusion as the rest of, that you are a boring t
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