New 320d makes peak power at 5,500rpm

[swisstoni]

Every technology seems to be perfected just before someone finds it causes something naughty.

[Teddy Lop]

AC43 said:

There are still some awful-sounding ones. The 1.9 MB lump makes a terrible racket. There was a new GLC idling outside the supermarket yesterday when I went in and still idling when I came out. So it was warmed up. Jeez it really did sound like a tractor.

I had a E with that engine as a loaner and could clearly hear the engine in the cabin at all times other than on trailing throttle. And I could fel the vibrations and fizzing through the pedals and wheel. I think it's because they run such massive compression ratios. In the case of MB they seem to be getting louder from the outside, if anything.

The noise makes my teeth itch.

what a funny old world we live in today. The cars you don't much care for are loud and intrusive and the ones you're supposed to get excited by are silent.

[LexyLex]

Mike335i said:

Haha, lets not let facts and truth get in the way of a good biased rant.

They made the TV show watch dog - that's how bad they have become. They used to be excellent cars.

The older E39 era BMW's with petrol engines were awesome. I had a 728i and X5 3.0i - lovely things and very dependable too.

Not these new diesel things. They are truly wretched in every possible sense- even the six cylinder ones. Fast but not fun and lacking refinement and once out of warranty a total lottery. Two people I know with modern BMWs have had DPFs go and the timing chains let go. Crap doesn't cover it.

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Surely the 330e will be the company car of choice due to lower BIK tax?

There can be something insane like a £200/month difference between a 2.0 diesel and equivalent PHEV so you'd really have to love the oily stuff to pay that!

[Teddy Lop]

Welshbeef said:

For the U.K. electric trucks would be ideal. We don’t have massive range requirements as were a tiny island with limitations on how long drivers can drive. Maximum torque for standstill no gears and the Tesla does 5.5 seconds to 62mph just the tractor not the 40tonnes. We will hopefully see ULEZ full of them.

Don't be so stupid. We need the choice of at least 18 more sub 4 sec 3 ton SUVs for people making half mile school runs in Hampstead before we can even begin to think about such unnecessary uses of electric propulsion such as transportation of essential goods and services in the city.

[TonyRPH]

Monkeylegend said:

Good to see diesel is far from dead.

I suspect the new diesel models we see in the next year or so will be the last, as these will probably have been in development for a year or two, which means that development of this generation would have begun before diesel fell into unpopularity.

I also think this view is further reinforced by the introduction of new generations of petrol engines.

[Monkeylegend]

TonyRPH said:

Monkeylegend said:

Good to see diesel is far from dead.

I suspect the new diesel models we see in the next year or so will be the last, as these will probably have been in development for a year or two, which means that development of this generation would have begun before diesel fell into unpopularity.

I also think this view is further reinforced by the introduction of new generations of petrol engines.

We will see but in terms of emissions diesel tehnology is moving forward so it's fate might not be sealed just yet.

[Monkeylegend]

LexyLex said:

Two people I know with modern BMWs have had DPFs go and the timing chains let go. Crap doesn't cover it.

What would that be as a % of total numbers sold I wonder ?

[cerb4.5lee]

Welshbeef said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wiki and all the reviews I've looked at online state max power at 4000rpm. The 2 litre turbo 330i only makes max power at 5000rpm so there's no way that the diesel is higher than that.

Is Wiki talking about the press release car from a few days ago the twin turbo 320d or the old 320d single turbo?

Also isn’t Wili just updated by anyone?

I thought that this new 320d is still only a single turbo(twin scroll) isn't it?

[GroundEffect]

cerb4.5lee said:

Welshbeef said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wiki and all the reviews I've looked at online state max power at 4000rpm. The 2 litre turbo 330i only makes max power at 5000rpm so there's no way that the diesel is higher than that.

Is Wiki talking about the press release car from a few days ago the twin turbo 320d or the old 320d single turbo?

Also isn’t Wili just updated by anyone?

I thought that this new 320d is still only a single turbo(twin scroll) isn't it?

It's a single turbo, twin entry.

Here's a graph for the power of the B47 engine, that's in the latest 320d.



It does NOT produce peak power at anything like 5500rpm, and look at how power falls off after 4000rpm...lovely...

https://www.bimmertoday.de/2017/11/20/bmw-baukaste...

[cerb4.5lee]

GroundEffect said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Welshbeef said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wiki and all the reviews I've looked at online state max power at 4000rpm. The 2 litre turbo 330i only makes max power at 5000rpm so there's no way that the diesel is higher than that.

Is Wiki talking about the press release car from a few days ago the twin turbo 320d or the old 320d single turbo?

Also isn’t Wili just updated by anyone?

I thought that this new 320d is still only a single turbo(twin scroll) isn't it?

It's a single turbo, twin entry.

Here's a graph for the power of the B47 engine, that's in the latest 320d.



It does NOT produce peak power at anything like 5500rpm, and look at how power falls off after 4000rpm...lovely...

https://www.bimmertoday.de/2017/11/20/bmw-baukaste...

Thanks.

[dave_s13]

Monkeylegend said:

LexyLex said:

Two people I know with modern BMWs have had DPFs go and the timing chains let go. Crap doesn't cover it.

What would that be as a % of total numbers sold I wonder ?

The e9x Facebook group is full of tales of timing chains snapping or rattling. But your point still stands and they sold eleventy billion 320d's. Wife's cousin has one on 120+k miles and it runs great.

We've got an N53 powered e93, it runs fine but it a constant worry to be honest.

[Monkeylegend]

dave_s13 said:

Monkeylegend said:

LexyLex said:

Two people I know with modern BMWs have had DPFs go and the timing chains let go. Crap doesn't cover it.

What would that be as a % of total numbers sold I wonder ?

The e9x Facebook group is full of tales of timing chains snapping or rattling. But your point still stands and they sold eleventy billion 320d's. Wife's cousin has one on 120+k miles and it runs great.

We've got an N53 powered e93, it runs fine but it a constant worry to be honest.

Just trying to make the point that all makes have their issues but it needs to be taken in context, and two mates down the pub with an issue is not necessarily a true reflection of unreliability.

When you get the obvious hatred this poster has for diesel it is almost impossible for them to be objective, and maybe a pinch of salt does not come amiss.

Very rarely does anyone post to say "Do you know what, my car has done 308k miles now with no issues"

Mine has by the way and it's a diesel

[Gojira]

Monkeylegend said:

Just trying to make the point that all makes have their issues but it needs to be taken in context, and two mates down the pub with an issue is not necessarily a true reflection of unreliability.

When you get the obvious hatred this poster has for diesel it is almost impossible for them to be objective, and maybe a pinch of salt does not come amiss.

Very rarely does anyone post to say "Do you know what, my car has done 308k miles now with no issues"

Mine has by the way and it's a diesel

This...

I wonder if there are -any- makes/models of car out there with a perfect reliability record?

<fouryorkshiremen>The folks complaining about modern reilability are lucky they didn't have to drive old BL rubbish 40 years ago...</fouryorkshiremen>

[Monkeylegend]

Gojira said:

This...

I wonder if there are -any- makes/models of car out there with a perfect reliability record?

<fouryorkshiremen>The folks complaining about modern reilability are lucky they didn't have to drive old BL rubbish 40 years ago...</fouryorkshiremen>

The new TVR Griffith maybe, one car produced and we are not aware of any breakdowns yet

[LexyLex]

Monkeylegend said:

Good to see diesel is far from dead.

It's like a terminal illness, it might go into remission but the grim reaper isn't far away.

Diesel cars are almost without exception dreadful. They're unrefined to drive, they're boring to drive with, and they emit dangerous fumes. Due to complex emissions control they are not horrifically unreliable.

Literally these things are ruining peoples health and you are happy to see them continue to be sold. Classy.

As for your comments earlier - I go with what I know and all I know is that everyone I have known who's had a diesel BMW has had big problems with it - and having been in these cars I cannot even say the car is particularly refined or good to drive. Looking at owners forums etc you can see a trend. And as I said earlier - BMW made the TV show watch dog. It's not as if I don't like BMW's - I've had a 7 series and an X5-- both straight six petrols and both just wonderful in every possible way. My current Lotus, Lexus and Toyota are all petrols and give no trouble at all and I have complete confidence in them - even the Lotus

Edited by LexyLex on Saturday 4th May 12:49

Edited by LexyLex on Saturday 4th May 12:51

[LexyLex]

Gojira said:

This...

I wonder if there are -any- makes/models of car out there with a perfect reliability record?

<fouryorkshiremen>The folks complaining about modern reilability are lucky they didn't have to drive old BL rubbish 40 years ago...</fouryorkshiremen>

No not perfect but some are a lot closer to perfect than others

[Monkeylegend]

LexyLex said:

Negative stuff]

Past performance is not a guide to future performance

[greenarrow]

LexyLex said:

Mike335i said:

Haha, lets not let facts and truth get in the way of a good biased rant.

They made the TV show watch dog - that's how bad they have become. They used to be excellent cars.

The older E39 era BMW's with petrol engines were awesome. I had a 728i and X5 3.0i - lovely things and very dependable too.

Not these new diesel things. They are truly wretched in every possible sense- even the six cylinder ones. Fast but not fun and lacking refinement and once out of warranty a total lottery. Two people I know with modern BMWs have had DPFs go and the timing chains let go. Crap doesn't cover it.

Yup, as the owner of a diesel Insignia I confirm this to be true. Noisy, awful turbo lag and narrow power band. Absolutely joyless to punt about in. Great on the motorway though, which is what I bought it for. Instant roll on acceleration in 5th and 6th when you need it, which has helped me out of a few hairy situations, so its horses for courses I guess.

Agree, re BMW. Saw a 528i on Gumtree this week... manual gearbox, £600.......MOT report not too bad either. Was seriously, seriously temped as these are wonderful cars.......

[Welshbeef]

GroundEffect said:

It's a single turbo, twin entry.

Here's a graph for the power of the B47 engine, that's in the latest 320d.



It does NOT produce peak power at anything like 5500rpm, and look at how power falls off after 4000rpm...lovely...

https://www.bimmertoday.de/2017/11/20/bmw-baukaste...

Autocar got it wrong - also the Huron’s description of it being more powerful etc well the dunk simply doesn’t reflect it. Sadly a poor showing from Autocar on this one.