RE: Average speed cameras not the end as we know it

[Rogue86]

I've done the same set of roads as the author in an Ignis Sport - hardly a tarmac-tearing supercar. Even I spent most of that time on the brakes making sure I'm sticking to the ridiculous 50mph limit. Nothing fun about it!

[nonsequitur]

RobRS76 said:

Sorry but I guess this has been asked before. What speed do you get ticketed at in 50 average camera zone. Last Saturday I sat at 52 in my RS on the M4 averaged zone and about 15% of cars went past me at anything over 60 MPH. I figured cloned cars or drug dealers or anyone who never replied to the dreaded letter. But it did make me wonder what is the trigger speed as i would like to go just a bit faster rather than be scorned for sticking at slower

If your average speed exceeds 50 over a set distance with cameras. You often see drivers, in an ASC zone exceeding the posted limit then brake sharply when approaching a camera. I don't think that is how it works.

[Ares]

janesmith1950 said:

Racing tends to involve people with lots of cash, too. This is often another (or perhaps the true) pet hate of these people.

So very very true. Mr J Corbyn and his Rich List shaming list yesterday being head of the bunch of hypocritical aholes.

[Ares]

bigdog3 said:

janesmith1950 said:

Racing tends to involve people with lots of cash, too. This is often another (or perhaps the true) pet hate of these people.

Perhaps they should close Central London to protest against the idle rich

Don't give the loony left any ideas.

[Blib]

nonsequitur said:

If your average speed exceeds 50 over a set distance with cameras. You often see drivers, in an ASC zone exceeding the posted limit then brake sharply when approaching a camera. I don't think that is how it works.

I see that all the time on the A406 North Circ.

What larks.

[dcb]

anonymous said:

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You have no cruise control ?

They would be most anti-social to ticket for anything under 55 mph.
All Brit dials have to over-read a little, so any cruise control set at 55-60 should be
reasonably ok.

If you do get a ticket, just set your cruise control a tad lower next time.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the quality of your driving, it's just
a fixed number they want you to drive slower than.

While UK road policing is fixated on speed control as the only
factor, I'd never buy a UK car without cruise control again.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

dcb said:

If you do get a ticket, just set your cruise control a tad lower next time..............

You are having a Larrrrf chum.

(or you are 12)

[LarsG]

In 20 years your car will spy on your driving, tell the Police when you speed and let your insurance company know.

[HannsG]

Average speed cameras and constant braking for fear of creeping over 1mph when there is a limit. No thanks

I'm talking about every tosser on the road

[nonsequitur]

HannsG said:

Average speed cameras and constant braking for fear of creeping over 1mph when there is a limit. No thanks

I'm talking about every tosser on the road

Including yourself, Hannso?

[bigdog3]

cidered77 said:

bigdog3 said:

cidered77 said:

Mind you - last season i entered 8 races, and DNF'd in 7 of them, because of multiple unrelated mechanical failures (lost cylinder, gearbox, wishbones - that one wasn't ICE in fairness, exhaust, fuel pump, etc)

Last season we entered 9 races, each with 30 minutes qualifying and 40 minutes racing. We finished every qualifying session and race, gaining an outright win at Oulton Park. This season started on May 4th: qualifying was fine but the motor let go on lap 1 of the race, whilst in 2nd position. Would an EV powertrain be any more reliable or cheaper to operate? Maybe but I'm not convinced

one main moving part and no gearbox? it's absolutely inevitable that an EV powertrain be more reliable than ICE plus gearbox, surely? That point doesn't seem for debate for me.

Paddock safety, charging facilities, extensive crash testing, weight thus impact on tyres - they are all things definitely,... but core reliability i find inconceivable wouldn't be better in my made up EV club racer.

Formula E champion Lucas di Grassi admits Audi's reliability nightmare that has left him with no points from the first three races of the 2017/18 Formula E season is "very weird" and "really frustrating".

https://www.autosport.com/fe/news/133895/di-grassi...

[anonymous-user]

I wouldn't have thought you'd measure reliability of ICE versus electric powertrains using prototype racing cars as examples. By their nature they're experimental rather than production items.

Seems fairly logical, all things being equal, that an electric motor and battery would be more reliable over a representative mileage than an engine and gearbox with hundreds of movings parts all trying to destroy one another by virtue of controlled explosions, saved only by a thin layer of constantly degrading oil and some coolant.

[havoc]

janesmith1950 said:

I wouldn't have thought you'd measure reliability of ICE versus electric powertrains using prototype racing cars as examples. By their nature they're experimental rather than production items.

Seems fairly logical, all things being equal, that an electric motor and battery would be more reliable over a representative mileage than an engine and gearbox with hundreds of movings parts all trying to destroy one another by virtue of controlled explosions, saved only by a thin layer of constantly degrading oil and some coolant.

I'd agree with that.

However...and this is a however that the manufacturers don't care at all about but society (considering use of scarce materials and lifetime CO2 emissions) SHOULD care about: An electric vehicle will be inherently a lot more 'disposable' than an ICE vehicle - in particular, the battery pack (which represents a large chunk of at-build CO2 emissions and a lot of rare earths) has a definite lifetime before replacement. While an ICE powertrain, if maintained, can last decades / 100s of k miles before replacement or even thorough rebuild.

So for the first 5+ years an EV is more reliable / cheaper to maintain. Possibly for up to 10 years. After that there's a very big lump-cost for battery replacement.

Conversely, immediately upon delivery the EV has a HUGE CO2 disadvantage due to the build emissions. It'll then spend the next +/- 100k miles (or more, depending on type of vehicle) paying that off through lower in-use emissions...the actual break-even mileage will depend equally heavily on the electricity-generation model in each country - the UK is still heavily reliant on fossil-fuels, so we'll be slower to break-even than e.g. Norway.




Anyway, what's this got to do with average speed cameras as a ridiculous clickbait article from PH?

[bigdog3]

janesmith1950 said:

I wouldn't have thought you'd measure reliability of ICE versus electric powertrains using prototype racing cars as examples. By their nature they're experimental rather than production items.

Because our previous comments were comparing reliability and cost of ICE and EV competition cars not road cars

Audi has won Le Mans 24 Hours no less than 13 times. With that expertise available, I'm surprised Audi are struggling with their EV. But perhaps that's because its "experimental"

[havoc]

bigdog3 said:

Audi has won Le Mans 24 Hours no less than 13 times. With that expertise available, I'm surprised Audi are struggling with their EV. But perhaps that's because its "experimental"

No, it's because Audi had the biggest budget and the most cohesive team.

[bigdog3]

havoc said:

No, it's because Audi had the biggest budget and the most cohesive team.

So Audi having the biggest budget and the most cohesive team are the factors causing reliability failures with their Formula E cars? What???

[havoc]

bigdog3 said:

havoc said:

No, it's because Audi had the biggest budget and the most cohesive team.

So Audi having the biggest budget and the most cohesive team are the factors causing reliability failures with their Formula E cars? What???

Audi Sport for LM had the budget and a long-standing well-led team...which led to a decade of success. I'm not sure what the situation is in Formula E (which has completely different challenges to LM), but they're brand new into it last year...

[speedbird1000]

I think we need to fight back hard against this nanny state oppression. The real danger of going along with this, is it kills human character, expression and freedom (which the state and E. U loves- so they can control you easier) , and the damage that causes to future life is infinitely worse long term than saving a very few lives of mostly bad drivers. Look at how the French said No, burnt half of all cameras, what an enrichening move that was for their wellbeing and now their government listens to them a lot more...

[2gins]

You're right. For starters, write to your mp. Sign the petition on gov.uk. member of any car clubs or breakdown organisation? Write to them. Write a strongly worded letter to the Times

Our problem is we never do anything about it.

[silentbrown]

anonymous said:

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In a 50? Good luck with that.

Most cars will over-read by just a couple of MPH (or less) at that speed, so you're doing around 58. Prosecution threshold is typically 10%+2MPH, so 57...

"Do you feel lucky, punk?"