RE: Toyota GR Supra: Driven

[WCZ]

Burwood said:

I can't get my head around journalists claim 'it's very good value' at £52k. Otherwise, nice job Toyota?

0-60 in the high 3's and bare in mind a nicely spec'd golf gtf is near £40k these days etc

[bertie]

I've never seen a car with more shut lines!

Looks ugly as sin to me.

[Nerdherder]

Alpineformr please but I dislike this sporty cruiser Supra much less than I should. Well done BMW!

[spikyone]

Pommy said:

spikyone said:

Matt Bird said:

Hi all,

Apologies for omission of a Supra interior pic - my fk up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...

Cheers!


Matt

Have they really given it an electronic handbrake too? FFS, WHY?!

Serious question - why so bothered?

Because they're a bloody stupid idea. No-one outside a car manufacturer has ever looked at their handbrake and thought "you know what, that would be so much better if it was just a button so that I have literally no idea if it's engaged or not when I stop on a hill".

[Frimley111R]

Unfortunately this will go down as the disappointment of the year for me. Long awaited but when it turned up it was mostly a BMW in new clothes. Just not good enough from Toyota, not good enough at all.

[Scootersp]

Pommy said:

Not sure why the hate for the BMW part.

Bmw have made many more good performance cars than toyota.

Their engines are renowned as being top drawer for the segment.

Their interiors are nicer than Toyotas - most Toyota interiors are utter ste.

Imagine if it looked like a BMW with a Toyota interior and a Toyota engine...

It's mainly because the thing with cars is the differences that set them apart, it's what car manufacturers do they generally compete against each other so innovate separately and then catch each other out with the advances and make the others react out do them? You expect this more in the top end cars of large manufacturers, and perhaps more so when using a name with some history of doing so?

This is safe and cost effective when the Mkiv wasn't so much, it can be looked at as sound business for the reasons you describe or a bit of a cop out for the idealists.

We are where we are, for some it won't ever be good enough (like the whole classic mini vs BMW mini things from years ago) for others they will just enjoy the car.

[cib24]

People seem to act like the MKIV Supra was anything but a potential motorway missile when tuned. It was never a sports car and compared to the NSX, FD RX-7 and Evo it was a lardy GT with a nice sounding motor, but handled far worse. It was more akin to a GT car like the Mitsubishi GTO and an unmodified Skyline R33-34 than a real sports car out of the box.

[Pommy]

spikyone said:

Pommy said:

spikyone said:

Matt Bird said:

Hi all,

Apologies for omission of a Supra interior pic - my fk up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...

Cheers!


Matt

Have they really given it an electronic handbrake too? FFS, WHY?!

Serious question - why so bothered?

Because they're a bloody stupid idea. No-one outside a car manufacturer has ever looked at their handbrake and thought "you know what, that would be so much better if it was just a button so that I have literally no idea if it's engaged or not when I stop on a hill".

You sound like you have never used a car with one.

Pull the switch, the car instantly holds, press accelerator, car holds then moves forward realeasing the handbrake automatically.

Pretty simple and easily ascertainable if its on. Hell, mine actually is audible when its being operated and released.

[TheDrBrian]

Pommy said:

spikyone said:

Pommy said:

spikyone said:

Matt Bird said:

Hi all,

Apologies for omission of a Supra interior pic - my fk up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...

Cheers!


Matt

Have they really given it an electronic handbrake too? FFS, WHY?!

Serious question - why so bothered?

Because they're a bloody stupid idea. No-one outside a car manufacturer has ever looked at their handbrake and thought "you know what, that would be so much better if it was just a button so that I have literally no idea if it's engaged or not when I stop on a hill".

You sound like you have never used a car with one.

Pull the switch, the car instantly holds, press accelerator, car holds then moves forward realeasing the handbrake automatically.

Pretty simple and easily ascertainable if its on. Hell, mine actually is audible when its being operated and released.

Not knowing if the handbrake is on while on a hill is as stupid as the pistonheaders who don't know if their headlights are on at night.

[DSC OFF]

And people wonder why manufacturers will never release "slower" generations of a car - this will be a much better steer than a mkIV and a lot quicker thanks to modern turbo engines and that rapid box.

Should the supra have been based on an M4? that's probably a question BMW wouldn't allow to happen anyway.

Still 20 years ago the mkIV was $50,000 and this one will be priced similar - impressive. The BMW interior is a plus point imop, and its not as if the lump isn't highly tuneable anyway, a £200 jb+ will see it over 400bhp

[DanielSan]

https://sniffpetrol.com/2019/05/14/new-supra-fit-t...

What more needs to be said.

[Scootersp]

cib24 said:

People seem to act like the MKIV Supra was anything but a potential motorway missile when tuned. It was never a sports car and compared to the NSX, FD RX-7 and Evo it was a lardy GT with a nice sounding motor, but handled far worse. It was more akin to a GT car like the Mitsubishi GTO and an unmodified Skyline R33-34 than a real sports car out of the box.

It can handle, it got 0.97 lateral G, it held a stopping distance record for many many years, all the cars you mention have compromises . The RX-7 is more nimble/agile, but has a relative 'hand grenade of an engine', the NSX amazing handling mid engine setup, but expensive/impractical, the GTO amazing tech but hefty and unreliable with age, the Evo special performance off the mark and innovative 4wd (yaw control etc) but a not 'sexy' shape brick aero, more stressed higher service regime, Skyline got a the 'taxi' badge for its less unique shape and can suffer corrosion earlier then the others?

All great Japanese cars of the 90's imo but all have flaws as does every car really, the Sports car vs GT thing is a subjective one, as the above merge from Rally rep through sports car to GT, the Supra and GTO more GT than the others but all are sporty and all could do a big touring road trip, you make it sound like a top fuel dragster that is all about straight line speed but show it a series of corners and it'll unsettle it/show it up which is nonsense. Lotus Elise it ain't but to say it nothing more than a potential motorway missile is untrue.

[Fady]

Have not yet fully warmed the looks myself but appears that lots here have hastily dismissed it. I fully expect some opinions to change once the car becomes a familiar sight (and sound) on the road - that as opposed to seeing it in 2-D on a video.

The other thing to bear in mind is that being Japanese, this is just the canvas. Tuning companies are going to run wild on body kits, spoilers, wheels, big brakes, exhausts, interior mods not to mention power enhancements. More so than one would expect if it were a BMW. And I would expect Toyota to bring out there own tuned version somewhere down the line. In Doug Demuro's youtube review he points to the air intakes seemingly going nowhere, screw holes for absent bracing and additional material added to boot lid at the points where a raised spoiler might sit. So just as the previous Supra, there will be outrageous kits that again won't be to everybody's personal taste but also the option for more subtle 'indivualisation'.

[E65Ross]

spikyone said:

Matt Bird said:

Hi all,

Apologies for omission of a Supra interior pic - my fk up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...



Cheers!


Matt

Have they really given it an electronic handbrake too? FFS, WHY?!

Because it's better than a manual?

[anonymous-user]

Scootersp said:

It can handle, it got 0.97 lateral G.

These 2 statements are basically completely unrelated.

[amgmcqueen]

Absolutely fking hideous!

Such a shame, a missed opportunity.

[LasseV]

DanielSan said:

https://sniffpetrol.com/2019/05/14/new-supra-fit-t...

What more needs to be said.

Total BS article with no real life credibility.


For example mkII won several times Import car of the year award in US. mkIII was a great GT car according to test drives. MKIV was a beast in handling and overall performance. Supras has always been great cars.

Source: Brookland Books Toyota Supra 1982-1998 Performance Portfolio.

[Scootersp]

BathyThermo said:

These 2 statements are basically completely unrelated.

I would question 'completely' but I appreciate high lateral grip doesn't indicate how it handles. It was more to say it has lateral G up there/comparable with the new one (for which lateral G is being stated in reviews/stats) that is being assigned the sports car monica.

[LasseV]

BathyThermo said:

These 2 statements are basically completely unrelated.

Maybe so, but Supra was one of the top dogs in handling department in the 90's. And this is a reported fact from motor journos at that time.

[Hot Knife]

Another super fugly japanese design.

The old Supra is quite an elegant but still masculine shape and it's engine, legendary. This just seems like a total anti-climax to me. Toyota do that so well. They always kill of their stars, like the Celica GT4.