RE: BMW M850i xDrive Convertible: Driven

[breadvan]

Had one for 24 hours recently. Very impressive and exceeded my expectations. The noise and performance were the stand out parts. Perfect for A road blasts.

Bodes well for the M8 which unfortunately will make this one redundant.

Forget the rear seats though, uncomfortable even for my 6 year old.

[Wills2]

akashzimzimma said:

23 bhp short of the OLD F10 M5.
The G30 M5 makes 600bhp, so it's actually a significant 70 bhp difference.
And that's if you rely on quoted figures.
Dyno'd stock M5s have been making over 580 WHP, so bhp can actually be much higher.

What has the power of the F10 M5 got to do with a 850i convertible? (nothing) It's an F90 M5 not G30, what has the power output of the new M5 on a wheel dyno (BTW that's a completely different way of measuring power to the steady state SAE engine dyno BMW use to measure crank HP) got to do with this car? (nothing)

[blasos]

Wills2 said:

What has the power of the F10 M5 got to do with a 850i convertible? (nothing) It's an F90 M5 not G30, what has the power output of the new M5 on a wheel dyno (BTW that's a completely different way of measuring power to the steady state SAE engine dyno BMW use to measure crank HP) got to do with this car? (nothing)

It's mentioned in the article.

[RSchneider]

Yes yes, so the engine is good. But how is it as a cabriolet? What about the wind with the top down? What about the window sill? Can you drive with the elbow up on it without feeling unnatural? And please include not only press photos without driver but show where the driver's sight line is in relation to the window sill. Is it a bath tub like an AMG GT Roadster or a half-way decent cabriolet??

[panholio]

Love the inside of these. The gear selector is quite something.

I didn’t think the “M Performance” cars came with run flats, article says this is running them.

[Tim bo]

Those exhausts are ... HUGE.

[LexyLex]

I think I would want the fixed roof coupe but definitely this engine - not the nasty coarse diesel. I think in this segment I would want the LC500 from Lexus - just because I like naturally aspirated engines at the moment despite owning some big power turbo cars back in the day.

Maybe a remap or tuning box would get it over 600bhp and with 4wd that has to be interesting

[jjr1]

LHM1979 said:

I have been using an 840d MSport and found the Active Driver Assist dangerous , every time I get in the car it needs to be switched off which gets a more than annoying ! other than that ( and rear leg room ) the car is brilliant

In what way 'dangerous'?

[simonbamg]

George Smiley said:

Too much power and zero driver feedback?

No thanks

Yeah huge cruiser that you can’t feel the road though your finger tips as you hit the apex, what we’re they thinking (too much power, that’s swearing)

[DP33]

I understand the generational weight-gain, but not the loss of rear seat accommodation - particularly given the increase in external dimensions. My F13 is smaller than the E63 that preceded it and the latest gen cars appear to be a size smaller again in the back. Surely there must a way of eeking out a bit more room when it comes to the +2 bit!

[robm3]

All big BMW's depreciate massively (the 7 is the fastest depreciating car in Australia at the moment), this will be a bargain in four years.
That said, I prefer the 6 series convertible. Just a little smaller and neater looking. Especially at the front end. The 8 looks too far protruding from the front wheel arch and it's a monster on the road.

[Andy83n]

robm3 said:

All big BMW's depreciate massively (the 7 is the fastest depreciating car in Australia at the moment), this will be a bargain in four years.
That said, I prefer the 6 series convertible. Just a little smaller and neater looking. Especially at the front end. The 8 looks too far protruding from the front wheel arch and it's a monster on the road.

My thoughts entirely, this (probably coupé tbh) goes to top of my list as next car in 3yrs time.

[E65Ross]

DP33 said:

I understand the generational weight-gain, but not the loss of rear seat accommodation - particularly given the increase in external dimensions. My F13 is smaller than the E63 that preceded it and the latest gen cars appear to be a size smaller again in the back. Surely there must a way of eeking out a bit more room when it comes to the +2 bit!

I may be wrong but this is actually shorter than the 6 series I think. My old man used to have an F13 M6 about 3 years ago, the back seats weren't THAT bad. You wouldn't want to sit there for hours but for shorter trips they were just about adequate.

[Burwood]

Andy83n said:

robm3 said:

All big BMW's depreciate massively (the 7 is the fastest depreciating car in Australia at the moment), this will be a bargain in four years.
That said, I prefer the 6 series convertible. Just a little smaller and neater looking. Especially at the front end. The 8 looks too far protruding from the front wheel arch and it's a monster on the road.

My thoughts entirely, this (probably coupé tbh) goes to top of my list as next car in 3yrs time.

Just as a guide, the 750 msport xdrive with an rrp of 88k is already 65k with discount, new. In typical 7 depreciation it will be 50k in 18 months or less and sub 40k in 30 months. I’m disappointed the S class has done away with their larger engines in the 500. A 500 isn’t a 3.0 6cyl. This might be the last barge with a big V8. The next ten might be a 2.0L hybrid

[E65Ross]

Burwood said:

Just as a guide, the 750 msport xdrive with an rrp of 88k is already 65k with discount, new. In typical 7 depreciation it will be 50k in 18 months or less and sub 40k in 30 months. I’m disappointed the S class has done away with their larger engines in the 500. A 500 isn’t a 3.0 6cyl. This might be the last barge with a big V8. The next ten might be a 2.0L hybrid

We've been on the "end of an era" for the last 2 decades

Sad to hear the S500 isn't a V8 though. Thought it was.

[Burwood]

E65Ross said:

Burwood said:

Just as a guide, the 750 msport xdrive with an rrp of 88k is already 65k with discount, new. In typical 7 depreciation it will be 50k in 18 months or less and sub 40k in 30 months. I’m disappointed the S class has done away with their larger engines in the 500. A 500 isn’t a 3.0 6cyl. This might be the last barge with a big V8. The next ten might be a 2.0L hybrid

We've been on the "end of an era" for the last 2 decades

Sad to hear the S500 isn't a V8 though. Thought it was.

The 560 is a 4.0 but pretty sure only available in the 2 door coupe. The Saloon S500 is a 3L 6 mated to a battery. Still plenty of power but what would irk would be, battery runs flat and you're driving a 3L petrol.

[loudlashadjuster]

Burwood said:

Because it’s the same money as the car I mentioned.

So is a three-bed semi in Hull and that comes with a shed and a microwave oven. Your point?

[Burwood]

loudlashadjuster said:

Burwood said:

Because it’s the same money as the car I mentioned.

So is a three-bed semi in Hull and that comes with a shed and a microwave oven. Your point?

The quote is being taken completely out of context. It's a run on from me saying I consider the GT to be a better car in all respects. I then then it's also the same cash.

[E65Ross]

Burwood said:

loudlashadjuster said:

Burwood said:

Because it’s the same money as the car I mentioned.

So is a three-bed semi in Hull and that comes with a shed and a microwave oven. Your point?

The quote is being taken completely out of context. It's a run on from me saying I consider the GT to be a better car in all respects. I then then it's also the same cash.

You only said it's also the same cash when asked why you were comparing them.

It isn't better in all respects though, is it. It's less comfortable judging by reviews of the 2 cars, it hasn't got 2 "back seats" and is less spacious inside the cabin, has a much smaller boot. All things which help make a, you know, GT car.

[corozin]

2,090kg for a car claiming benefits from "BMW's carbon rich CLAR structure"

As someone else said once, "must be a lot of steel in that Carbon". That kerbweight qualifies it as a small tank, not a 2+2 GT