RE: 2019 Toyota Supra review: PH Video!
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Everyday Driver have reviewed it, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP5k10iCOlE
They seem to view it as a possible Cayman competitor now that the latter has been nerfed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP5k10iCOlE
They seem to view it as a possible Cayman competitor now that the latter has been nerfed.
My biggest quibble is the price. £54k for a car you need to finish yourself is taking the mickey. It should be a good £5-8k cheaper on that basis. If the BMW soft top comes under £50k, the coupe should be a couple of grand cheaper. Then the 335bhp doesn’t seem so underdone. As it is, for the decent spec, £54k is only £2k less than I paid for a new Giulia Quad after discounts.
The old supra turbo looked like the batmobile when they were new in the early 90’s - we were in our late teens and we were all knocked out by them. They were where Japan was in terms of its own fascinating bun fight with the Skyline. The cars had a Japanese identity, a fascinating oddity with that big flat wraparound dash. And then under the skin if you were a spanner guy you knew they were astonishingly simple - and yet more than the sum of their parts.
The celica GT4 was equally drool inducing and a mate of ours actually had the use of one via his dad. Not jealous much!
This new one is none of those things. The moment has passed and for me it’s a poor relative not because it has undersized brakes (I’m more than certain that the old one couldn’t have stopped a pig in an entry) but because it sells out half way on being proudly Japanese.
The celica GT4 was equally drool inducing and a mate of ours actually had the use of one via his dad. Not jealous much!
This new one is none of those things. The moment has passed and for me it’s a poor relative not because it has undersized brakes (I’m more than certain that the old one couldn’t have stopped a pig in an entry) but because it sells out half way on being proudly Japanese.
popeyewhite said:
Reminds me a bit of the Mazda RX7.
Yeah - FR, turbo, 50/50 weight distribution, a very organic / curvaceous shape, a fairly short wheelbase, double-bubble roof, claimed low c.g.The differences are that the RX-7 is 250kg lighter, has sequential twin turbos like the old Supra used to, the choice of a manual gearbox, and has a leaner, less bulbous front end due to the compact rotary and double-wishbone front suspension.
Of course, the final difference is that the Supra is a new Toyota with a 5-year warranty of trouble-free driving, whereas the RX-7 is practically guaranteed to require expensive maintenance within 5 years
It's not a Supra is it? It's not even a Toyota. It has no DNA link to the lineage it is marketed against. They've not even included that s
tty 1980s digital clock that's graced every Toyota and Lexus ever to make you feel at home.
That BMW powertrain and tech are probably very good indeed so no surprise it is sporty but road biased; that's always been the Z4s design brief.
Marketing bullst. I've always hated model sharing but with performance cars it feels all the more annoying.
tty 1980s digital clock that's graced every Toyota and Lexus ever to make you feel at home.That BMW powertrain and tech are probably very good indeed so no surprise it is sporty but road biased; that's always been the Z4s design brief.
Marketing bulls
t. I've always hated model sharing but with performance cars it feels all the more annoying.Helicopter123 said:
Good looking car but a little expensive.
sdiggle said:
Too expensive.
Ali_T said:
My biggest quibble is the price. £54k for a car you need to finish yourself is taking the mickey. It should be a good £5-8k cheaper on that basis. If the BMW soft top comes under £50k, the coupe should be a couple of grand cheaper. Then the 335bhp doesn’t seem so underdone. As it is, for the decent spec, £54k is only £2k less than I paid for a new Giulia Quad after discounts.
ilovequo said:
Fifty four thousands British pounds?!!
I rewound to make sure I’d heard that right...
Sounds bonkers dear to me
I don't think it's that expensive. Cars are generally cheaper now then they have been in the past, like for like. According to the original press release, the Mk4 Supra was £37,500 when it went on sale in the UK on 24th of August 1993. According to the Bank of Englands inflation calculator, that is £75,040.43.I rewound to make sure I’d heard that right...
Sounds bonkers dear to me
It is obvious to me that this is not an unreasonable price for a car in this category outright, although I'm sure there might be an argument to me made for it being too expensive compared to it's peers.
Edited by leglessAlex on Saturday 18th May 21:53
leglessAlex said:
According to the original press release, the Mk4 Supra was £37,500 when it went on sale in the UK on 24th of August 1993. According to the Bank of Englands inflation calculator, that is £75,040.43.
I'm not sure this Supra is really in a comparable place in the market though.768 said:
leglessAlex said:
According to the original press release, the Mk4 Supra was £37,500 when it went on sale in the UK on 24th of August 1993. According to the Bank of Englands inflation calculator, that is £75,040.43.
I'm not sure this Supra is really in a comparable place in the market though.But I think the point I'm making is still valid, people seem very stuck on how much a car should cost according to out of date numbers in their heads. This is cheaper than the Mk4 Supra was when it was released, by some considerable margin, even if they have adjusted the category it sits in a bit.
fernando the frog said:
may as well buy a lexus offering, much better choice like the RC F or the lc500 if you want a nice grand tourer (that's Japanese engineered)
the LC500 hybrid is more like the Supra of today surely
there's even an LC F coming!
Fantastic the LC500 hybrid is more like the Supra of today surely
there's even an LC F coming!
Edited by fernando the frog on Saturday 18th May 23:12
nuttywobbler said:
I love the way it looks from the outside - I think it’s fantastic, one of the best looking cars on sale in fact.
But the rest of it does absolutely nothing for me - the fact it’s a BMW Z4 with a different body ruins it for me. Same engine as an m140 which is half the price etc. Just not special enough under the skin.
Same. Have absolutely no interest in it knowing it has a bmw engine and chassis. Considering some of the great engines Toyota have made it's just so massively lame. No thanks. But the rest of it does absolutely nothing for me - the fact it’s a BMW Z4 with a different body ruins it for me. Same engine as an m140 which is half the price etc. Just not special enough under the skin.
I really like it and couldn’t give a fk about it being a BMW in drag, lack of heritage etc. because the car wouldn’t exist without the collaboration.
Unfortunately too expensive for me to buy new and auto only is dissapointing but I’m glad they’ve made it and seemingly done a good job. One to watch the classifieds for in future.
k about it being a BMW in drag, lack of heritage etc. because the car wouldn’t exist without the collaboration.Unfortunately too expensive for me to buy new and auto only is dissapointing but I’m glad they’ve made it and seemingly done a good job. One to watch the classifieds for in future.
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