Faster than an M5 for £25k
Discussion
Niffty951 said:
The TT RS/Golf R argument.. I think you're underestimating how expensive it is to get that kind of performance and how fast a mapped M135i is. My old Stage 2+ S3 daily driver with 367hp & 416lb/ft of torque cost me around 6.5-7k to get to that power and was faster than a standard M140i but not by a big margin.. not more than a couple of car lengths over that distance and the difference in that initial video to the m5 is staggering.
TT-RS is a different prospect to a Golf R/S3. It's a 2.5 5 cylinder with 335 bhp to start with. Add in the traction from a standing start, and it would be down the road while a 2wd car was looking for grip.Edited by blade7 on Monday 20th May 01:15
TheAngryDog said:
Alex_225 said:
MDMA . said:
How about a W211 E55 AMG with a smaller pulley and remap. No more than 15k in for a good one.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, even a re-map on the 5.5 supercharged engine sees 540bhp so pulleys as well and you'd be over that of the M5. Admittedly a lot more 'old school' than the F10 but if you're talking sheer BHP that would do it.
Although I suppose on this particular subject of £25k vs an M5, you could go crazy for modified cars. I'm sure if you bought a £5k Impreza and had a £15k race engine built it would be quicker but I'm not sure it's the right comparison haha.
yonex said:
The thing is, the RX7, for me, is all about the rotary. Every review on a swapped LS one is that it feels like a Corvette. So with that said why not buy a Vette?
A smaller, prettier, steel bodied, RHD, 2+2 corvette !
If I was living in the USA and didn't need the occasional seats then a Corvette
would do.
Some would also better an M5.
But that's hardly surprising.
Alex_225 said:
A friend of mine had a client with an E55 estate, that had pulleys, re-map and I'm assuming other work but was about 700bhp which is pretty mega.
Although I suppose on this particular subject of £25k vs an M5, you could go crazy for modified cars. I'm sure if you bought a £5k Impreza and had a £15k race engine built it would be quicker but I'm not sure it's the right comparison haha.
I think you’d be spending a whole lot more for any race engine with these power outputs. Although I suppose on this particular subject of £25k vs an M5, you could go crazy for modified cars. I'm sure if you bought a £5k Impreza and had a £15k race engine built it would be quicker but I'm not sure it's the right comparison haha.
The easy answer that everybody has missed is the Maserati Quattroporte.
In GTS trim, the mk V was a stonking car which was faster around the EVO test track than the contemporary M5 when it was launched, a 450bhp Ferrari based 4.7 V8 which sounded glorious, and which you can buy for buttons now. It'll be a financially ruinous as an M5 but will look so much nicer parked on the hard shoulder waiting for the AA. They did a GTS version of the later version which was equally fast, and was sub 5 seconds to 60mph.
In GTS trim, the mk V was a stonking car which was faster around the EVO test track than the contemporary M5 when it was launched, a 450bhp Ferrari based 4.7 V8 which sounded glorious, and which you can buy for buttons now. It'll be a financially ruinous as an M5 but will look so much nicer parked on the hard shoulder waiting for the AA. They did a GTS version of the later version which was equally fast, and was sub 5 seconds to 60mph.
Welshbeef said:
Alex_225 said:
A friend of mine had a client with an E55 estate, that had pulleys, re-map and I'm assuming other work but was about 700bhp which is pretty mega.
Although I suppose on this particular subject of £25k vs an M5, you could go crazy for modified cars. I'm sure if you bought a £5k Impreza and had a £15k race engine built it would be quicker but I'm not sure it's the right comparison haha.
I think you’d be spending a whole lot more for any race engine with these power outputs. Although I suppose on this particular subject of £25k vs an M5, you could go crazy for modified cars. I'm sure if you bought a £5k Impreza and had a £15k race engine built it would be quicker but I'm not sure it's the right comparison haha.
There isn't really anything out of the box that will be quicker than a F10 M5 for £25k with a chip in a straight line on public roads where the surface is uneven. You have the advantage of modern electronics to keep the car straight plus a DCT for lightning quick shifts.
On a prepped drag strip there are plenty of options that would outrun a M5 for £25k if you started with a cheap base car and built it for the 1/4 mile. US muscle cars are too expensive here but otherwise you could buy a tatty Evo for under £10k and mod it to £25k and it would probably have a hell of a chance at beating the M5 in a straight line up to 140 mph. A cheap RX-7 as a base car is also a good idea as they launch very well on a prepped surface so can cut 1.5 or less 60' on the stock chassis. You could buy a used built engine for not a whole lot of cash, strap a large turbo on it, make sure you have the right fueling and ignition, map it, stick some drag radials on the rear and run 10s with less than 500hp due to its light weight.
Having said that, any solution that is going to outrun a F10 M5 in a straight line on a prepped surface is going to be heavily compromised. If you want to consider corners then there is plenty out of the box that will be faster than the F10 M5 around a circuit because the car is simply too large to last more than a lap or two.
On a prepped drag strip there are plenty of options that would outrun a M5 for £25k if you started with a cheap base car and built it for the 1/4 mile. US muscle cars are too expensive here but otherwise you could buy a tatty Evo for under £10k and mod it to £25k and it would probably have a hell of a chance at beating the M5 in a straight line up to 140 mph. A cheap RX-7 as a base car is also a good idea as they launch very well on a prepped surface so can cut 1.5 or less 60' on the stock chassis. You could buy a used built engine for not a whole lot of cash, strap a large turbo on it, make sure you have the right fueling and ignition, map it, stick some drag radials on the rear and run 10s with less than 500hp due to its light weight.
Having said that, any solution that is going to outrun a F10 M5 in a straight line on a prepped surface is going to be heavily compromised. If you want to consider corners then there is plenty out of the box that will be faster than the F10 M5 around a circuit because the car is simply too large to last more than a lap or two.
The Surveyor said:
Fastdruid said:
The Surveyor said:
The easy answer that everybody has missed is the Maserati Quattroporte..
No, OP said reliable. 
To be fair he didn't explicitly say it but rather
Niffty951 said:
is it really going to cost less than the F10 M5 over 12months and 10,000 miles of running?
which I took to mean reliable (as in not spending a fortune on bits breaking).Of course given how likely the M5 is to throw some staggeringly big bills even a Maserati could seem sensible.
theboss said:
I know a number of M5/M6 owners and the general consensus was that they were reliable. We hear about the odd failure but for the power levels they are relatively infrequent.
Mine is on 113k now with no problems and ran at 750bhp for most of its life.
Well you'd certainly hope the F10 was an improvement over the earlier M5's, especially in the engine department with no repeat of the rod bearing issues... Although https://twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/9609563641...Mine is on 113k now with no problems and ran at 750bhp for most of its life.
blade7 said:
Niffty951 said:
The TT RS/Golf R argument.. I think you're underestimating how expensive it is to get that kind of performance and how fast a mapped M135i is. My old Stage 2+ S3 daily driver with 367hp & 416lb/ft of torque cost me around 6.5-7k to get to that power and was faster than a standard M140i but not by a big margin.. not more than a couple of car lengths over that distance and the difference in that initial video to the m5 is staggering.
TT-RS is a different prospect to a Golf R/S3. It's a 2.5 5 cylinder with 335 bhp to start with. Add in the traction from a standing start, and it would be down the road while a 2wd car was looking for grip.Edited by blade7 on Monday 20th May 01:15
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