RE: Porsche Cayenne Coupe: Driven

[Water Fairy]

Never mind this nonsense. Why, PH, is the passing of Niki Lauda not our top story today?

Feel ashamed.

[Carl_Manchester]

Car sales in the USA are at their lowest level since 1953 because they are buying more of these types of SUV.

Average hot hatch emits around 140g-150mg of Co2.

These new Cayennes emit between 212-261 of Co2. Don’t have a calculator but i assume that’s a 70-80% uplift.

JLR just announced a £3.5bn loss. Government are under increasing pressure to act against SUVs like this.

I can’t see these types of SUV having a very long product cycle, it feels like this will be the last of its type and Porsche probably committed themselves into developing this and decided to continue rather than doing the wise thing and pulling it.

Getting around the size of these things is one thing but Porsche are out of step with what the market needs. Whatever happened to the ‘efficient performance?’ mantra? does the world really want another Cayenne Turbo?

[PhilboSE]

Andy20vt said:

BathyThermo said:

Andy20vt said:

You wouldn't take a Ferrari down a bumpy country lane. Also visibility in a van is much better than from your average SUV, plus your normal van's does not have diamond cut 22" alloy wheels that would get trashed at the first sight of an off road excursion, nor does it have a driver who's likely to give a s*it about the odd scratch or two.

Visibility in a van which only has 3 windows, is much better than this SUV?

I don't think so.

And no-one's talking about off-roading in either the van or the SUV here, so wheel size is irrelevant.

Your bias is showing.

Have you ever driven a van? Even with three windows the mirrors are such that you can see the position of the back wheel at all times. Easy to reverse and easy to see where every corner is. Not so with a wide SUV with thick, set back window pillars.

I'm not talking about proper off road, just a small ditch or some rough ground etc, the likes of which you would encounter many time over on your average country lane passing place.

Oh Andy you seem to be having one of your funny turns again.

The quote was "a nightmare down any kind of normally proportioned road". Not bumpy country lanes.

However, I have driven both the Ferrari that I own and many vans down both "normally proportioned" roads and bumpy country lanes. I don't find either a particular challenge, but then different people do have different driving capabilities I suppose, it's not your fault if you find them a bit scary.

But well done on spectacularly missing the very simple point of my original post. Your comprehension skills still need some work we see.

[Cloudy147]

PhilboSE said:

Bit too much hyperbole in the article, perhaps?

"making it a nightmare to thread down any kind of normally proportioned road"
"set aside a lot of room [...] With mirrors this car is 2,200mm wide"

Cayenne coupe width with/without mirrors: 2194mm / 1983mm
Ferrari F8 Tributo width with/without mirrors 2190mm / 1979mm
Ford Transit Custom van width with/without mirrors: 2272mm / 1986mm

Not denying that this is a big car, and it's not my thing, but saying that something that is the same size as the mid-range vans you see everywhere on the roads, and is a "nightmare" on the same roads, suggests the author is somewhat overstating the mark. I bet they wouldn't say the same about an F8 Tributo either, despite only being 4mm less wide. But hey, this is an SUV, so all objectivity can go out the window.

I agree - I've never understood these inferences that SUVs are too big for UK roads, when bigger transit vans throttle along everywhere all day long - and have done for decades. They are actually perfectly fine - these are still cars, not arctic lorries.

As for this car in particular, it looks great but I don't really get the point. If you want an SUV, you want a big, comfy (and in the case of a Porsche, sporty) car. The 'normal' Cayenne delivers against this remit - so why buy a similar model that does all of those primary things just a little bit worse? Same with the BMW X6.

[Harry_523]

nickfrog said:

We've got a faux x 4 (Skoda Karoq) - it's brilliant for our needs, but I tell you what, I'll get rid it if you can suggest a better alternative and I will say "what was I thinking?" - deal ?

not at all relevant to the topic, but Skoda Superb Estate. Unless your "needs" are lording over people or driving up rutted tracks



Also, this Porsche is horrible in every way, much like is dick waving competitors. Will probably outsell the regular cayenne 2:1...

[Hot Knife]

Carl_Manchester said:

does the world really want another Cayenne Turbo?

I used to think this way until I became a dad with 2 kids. A car like this gives you the opportunity to hold onto your younger identity, or part thereof, and bring a whole lot more with you in a way that does feel more reassuringly safer for your loved ones.

Edited by Hot Knife on Tuesday 21st May 12:05

[anonymous-user]

PhilboSE said:

Oh Andy you seem to be having one of your funny turns again.

The quote was "a nightmare down any kind of normally proportioned road". Not bumpy country lanes.

However, I have driven both the Ferrari that I own and many vans down both "normally proportioned" roads and bumpy country lanes. I don't find either a particular challenge, but then different people do have different driving capabilities I suppose, it's not your fault if you find them a bit scary.

But well done on spectacularly missing the very simple point of my original post. Your comprehension skills still need some work we see.

Sorry Phil I have re-read your first post and seem to have missed your point again. Must go back and re-read it a third time perhaps, I'm sure there's a point hiding in there somewhere.

[Hot Knife]

Cloudy147 said:

I agree - I've never understood these inferences that SUVs are too big for UK roads, when bigger transit vans throttle along everywhere all day long - and have done for decades. They are actually perfectly fine - these are still cars, not arctic lorries.

As for this car in particular, it looks great but I don't really get the point. If you want an SUV, you want a big, comfy (and in the case of a Porsche, sporty) car. The 'normal' Cayenne delivers against this remit - so why buy a similar model that does all of those primary things just a little bit worse? Same with the BMW X6.

I think a coupe with a higher driving position is a somewhat foreign concept but a good idea for some. I think in time we will see more of these because it's a sort of bridge, combining boxy SUV and a sporty coupe. It is mostly an aesthetic decision though probably so I understand why you might not get it. I don't personally think it makes that much difference but my wife does definitely prefers a higher driving position. And I would always take the nicer sleeker design, personally.

[cidered77]

RSchneider said:

How can the coupe be heavier than the regular version?? That is simply sloppy engineering. And V6 is the wrong engine for such a car. F**** emission regulations ruining the car industry. Those leftist busybody b****** should just buy their beloved Commie Zhiguli and leave the rest of the world alone!!

If you can get that angry about a coupe version of a car you i assume already don't want to own, then i fear for your blood pressure old chap.

[PhilboSE]

Andy20vt said:

PhilboSE said:

Oh Andy you seem to be having one of your funny turns again.

The quote was "a nightmare down any kind of normally proportioned road". Not bumpy country lanes.

However, I have driven both the Ferrari that I own and many vans down both "normally proportioned" roads and bumpy country lanes. I don't find either a particular challenge, but then different people do have different driving capabilities I suppose, it's not your fault if you find them a bit scary.

But well done on spectacularly missing the very simple point of my original post. Your comprehension skills still need some work we see.

Sorry Phil I have re-read your first post and seem to have missed your point again. Must go back and re-read it a third time perhaps, I'm sure there's a point hiding in there somewhere.

I take my hat off to you, there's not that many people who would publicly admit to being quite so slow. Do you know anyone who could help you - a child at primary school perhaps?

[anonymous-user]

Hot Knife said:

I think in time we will see more of these because it's a sort of bridge, combining boxy SUV and a sporty coupe.

So it's makes a bad SUV with little practicality and also a hobbled sporty coupe with far too much weight? Great, sounds perfect, where do I sign up!

[cidered77]

Hot Knife said:

Carl_Manchester said:

does the world really want another Cayenne Turbo?

I used to think this way until I became a dad with 2 kids. A car like this gives you the opportunity to hold onto your younger identity, or part thereof, and bring a whole lot more with you in a way that does feel more reassuringly safer for your loved ones.

Edited by Hot Knife on Tuesday 21st May 12:05

Shh!! don't let on the actual reasons people buy SUVs like these in their absolute droves - you'll have the purists onto you!!

(who am sure do the school or holiday run in a lotus exige..)

[RDMcG]

Have had lots of Porsches and still have four. This is not ever coming near me- nasty tall lumpen thing with no purpose whatsoever. I get the Cayenne, but this removes space for no reason other than to make this strange pile. Of course there is the X6 and the rest of the ugly mob.

I suppose the Pontiac Aztec will not look so bad now.

[nickfrog]

Harry_523 said:

nickfrog said:

We've got a faux x 4 (Skoda Karoq) - it's brilliant for our needs, but I tell you what, I'll get rid it if you can suggest a better alternative and I will say "what was I thinking?" - deal ?

not at all relevant to the topic, but Skoda Superb Estate. Unless your "needs" are lording over people or driving up rutted tracks

Do you genuinely think the only reason why I would buy a white Skoda is for lording over people - that says more about you than about me.

I like the Superb, but it doesn't work for us : too long, more expensive and it can't take two enduro mountain bikes standing in the back, which the Karoq can.

The small wheels on the Karoq on balloon tyres and the added suspension travel is very useful to negociate Sussex's potholes too. And yes it goes places neither the Superb nor our A4 can reach, even on humble road tyres,

[Rumblestripe]

Better looking than an X6

Porsche, if you're listening, you can put that in the advertising if you like.

...still hideous though.

[Hot Knife]

Andy20vt said:

So it's makes a bad SUV with little practicality and also a hobbled sporty coupe with far too much weight? Great, sounds perfect, where do I sign up!

You quoted me but left out the my one reason for choosing it. It's a coupe with an elevated driving position. It doesn't need to be a highly practical SUV and it doesn't need to be a sporty coupe with low weight.

If the world wanted exactly the same car it would suck. Live and let live.

[Hot Knife]

RDMcG said:

Have had lots of Porsches and still have four. This is not ever coming near me- nasty tall lumpen thing with no purpose whatsoever. I get the Cayenne, but this removes space for no reason other than to make this strange pile. Of course there is the X6 and the rest of the ugly mob.

I suppose the Pontiac Aztec will not look so bad now.

It removes space for no other purpose than to look MUCH BETER (subjective of course) and for people that don't need all that extra space.

I'm sure others who like it can think of a lot of other reasons.

[anonymous-user]

Hot Knife said:

You quoted me but left out the my one reason for choosing it. It's a coupe with an elevated driving position. It doesn't need to be a highly practical SUV and it doesn't need to be a sporty coupe with low weight.

If the world wanted exactly the same car it would suck. Live and let live.

But it's not a coupe! A coupe has two doors and is sleek, low slung and sporty. This is 4 a door saloon with a higher than normal centre of gravity.

[biggbn]

Not my cuppa cha, but then I love the panamera and x6. Will never have the wherewithal to own either but there ya go, each to their own

[E65Ross]

Andy20vt said:

PhilboSE said:

Oh Andy you seem to be having one of your funny turns again.

The quote was "a nightmare down any kind of normally proportioned road". Not bumpy country lanes.

However, I have driven both the Ferrari that I own and many vans down both "normally proportioned" roads and bumpy country lanes. I don't find either a particular challenge, but then different people do have different driving capabilities I suppose, it's not your fault if you find them a bit scary.

But well done on spectacularly missing the very simple point of my original post. Your comprehension skills still need some work we see.

Sorry Phil I have re-read your first post and seem to have missed your point again. Must go back and re-read it a third time perhaps, I'm sure there's a point hiding in there somewhere.

Yes there is, and it's fairly obvious, it's also obvious in his last message which you're quoting.