RE: Porsche Cayenne Coupe: Driven

[Hot Knife]

Andy20vt said:

But it's not a coupe! A coupe has two doors and is sleek, low slung and sporty. This is 4 a door saloon with a higher than normal centre of gravity.

I don't care what it's called. I don't are about the marketing of it. I like what I see and it's in the middle of what I've been looking at. Arguing about that is a waste of time to me. 4 door "coupes" have been around for a while and they are not the same as a sedan. Some people would call it a compromise, but I just see it as different and the amalgamation of two separate things. It's ok that things change and evolve.

[anonymous-user]

Hot Knife said:

Andy20vt said:

But it's not a coupe! A coupe has two doors and is sleek, low slung and sporty. This is 4 a door saloon with a higher than normal centre of gravity.

I don't care what it's called. I don't are about the marketing of it. I like what I see and it's in the middle of what I've been looking at. Arguing about that is a waste of time to me. 4 door "coupes" have been around for a while and they are not the same as a sedan. Some people would call it a compromise, but I just see it as different and the amalgamation of two separate things. It's ok that things change and evolve.

Fantastic, just goes to show that with the right marketing behind something, you can sell any old crock of sh*t to the gullible. Even easier if it's packaged up as a convenient monthly payment

[Hot Knife]

Andy20vt said:

Fantastic, just goes to show that with the right marketing behind something, you can sell any old crock of sh*t to the gullible. Even easier if it's packaged up as a convenient monthly payment

How nice of you to say. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but people in this world like different things for different reasons. Perhaps that's different in the world where you're from?

[scenario8]

I honestly find it incredible how so many strongly held opinions are held by so many contributors (often across a multitude of topics) in these pages. It’s just another vehicle. It really shouldn’t matter to you if for some reason or another you’ve decided you don’t want to buy one yourself.

For those keen eyes following this thread I went internetting myself and discovered these gargantuan beasts we’re told are far too vast for the road seem to be no wider or longer than many D segment cars or luxury/premium saloons or estates. Not to any degree that really matters as far as I can see anyway.

[E65Ross]

Andy20vt said:

Hot Knife said:

Andy20vt said:

But it's not a coupe! A coupe has two doors and is sleek, low slung and sporty. This is 4 a door saloon with a higher than normal centre of gravity.

I don't care what it's called. I don't are about the marketing of it. I like what I see and it's in the middle of what I've been looking at. Arguing about that is a waste of time to me. 4 door "coupes" have been around for a while and they are not the same as a sedan. Some people would call it a compromise, but I just see it as different and the amalgamation of two separate things. It's ok that things change and evolve.

Fantastic, just goes to show that with the right marketing behind something, you can sell any old crock of sh*t to the gullible. Even easier if it's packaged up as a convenient monthly payment

You do realise that we, as human beings (I speak for the majority of people here, not necessarily everyone), that we can often like stuff that aren't logical. For example, some people buy saloon cars rather than estate cars. Logically, the estate is better in just about every other way, so why do we see so many saloons.....or....even coupes? Why is a BMW 4 series quite popular when the 3 series does everything the 4 series does, but better? Because people like different things.

You may find it a concept hard to grasp, or rather you DO find it a concept hard to grasp. But I am glad we all like different things. Would this be a car I'd buy if I was in the market for a car of this value? Not a chance. Do I have a gripe with anyone who does? Of course not.

[nickfrog]

E65Ross said:

Because people like different things.

You may find it a concept hard to grasp, or rather you DO find it a concept hard to grasp.

He just won't accept it. But much worse he takes as a personal afront that other people may prefer a particular car then attacks the people in question through a series of obsolete and absurd prejudices and clichés to justify his own bitterness. It's fascinating, if a little scary that humans can do stuff like that.

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 21st May 13:38

[anonymous-user]

Andy20vt said:

Have you ever driven a van? Even with three windows the mirrors are such that you can see the position of the back wheel at all times. Easy to reverse and easy to see where every corner is. Not so with a wide SUV with thick, set back window pillars.

I'm not talking about proper off road, just a small ditch or some rough ground etc, the likes of which you would encounter many time over on your average country lane passing place.

Maybe part of it is the drivers. I guess the reason a lot buy these big SUV's is that they are just not confident drivers and they feel that a bigger rugged vehicle protects them and their kids. But then they they seem to struggle to drive the thing!!!

Yes, I've driven vans, SUVs, tractors, lorries, forklifts trucks, and most things you can think of. Vans are no easier or more difficult to reverse than any SUV I've ever driven, but claiming that visibility is better out of this:



than the vehicle we're discussing does your argument no favours.

A 35 profile on a 285 wide 22" wheel has more sidewall than a 205/50 would do, so I'm not buying the 'rough ground' thing either.

[Nerdherder]

Every hateful new Porsche that comes out makes me hate their previous digressions a little less. I am beginning to think that this hate entropy is a conscious Porsche strategy.

[Hot Knife]

nickfrog said:

He just won't accept it. But much worse he takes as a personal afront that other people may prefer a particular car then attacks the people in question through a series of obsolete and absurd prejudices and clichés to justify his own bitterness. It's fascinating, if a little scary that humans can do stuff like that.

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 21st May 13:38

It's fascinating indeed. It seems some people actually seek out being a bigot and dislike being a free human. They are so limited in their bandwidth that they can't understand how more than one perspective can exist at the same time.

The funniest thing is they think their opinion is going to change the other persons opinion which only proves them even weaker.

Edited by Hot Knife on Tuesday 21st May 14:17

[Ares]

RelentlessForwardProgress said:

It’s a hatchback... or are we all supposed to drink the kool aid and go along with the nonsensical naming? It’s not only Porsche, but come on, PH, call out this silliness. You are journalists, not industry PR people.

A coupe is a fixed roofed car with a sloping rear. How is this less a coupe than a 4-series or S-Class coupe?

Manufacturers can call their cars what they like. BMW use touring for estate. Others use Sportback. SUV/SUC/SAC - who gives a st?

[Ares]

RSchneider said:

How can the coupe be heavier than the regular version?? That is simply sloppy engineering. And V6 is the wrong engine for such a car. F**** emission regulations ruining the car industry. Those leftist busybody b****** should just buy their beloved Commie Zhiguli and leave the rest of the world alone!!

Time for Prozac?

Why should a coupe automatically be lighter than a 'regular version'?

[Ares]

E65Ross said:

rwindmill said:

I'm really really looking forward to the day, when all the people who have bought SUV/Pretend 4x4's (whether coupe styled or not) look back and say 'SUV's, what was I thinking???'

Why, just out of question? One cannot deny they're a niche worth filling. They make far more sense in this day and age for more people than a "PH" car such as a Lotus Exige or something.

Because they'd sell in far lower volumes and car manufacturers are about sales, not appeasing internet beards who would never buy one anyway (at least until it was 5 yrs old and cost 50p and a conker)

[Ares]

TWPC said:

+1

Like the Audi A7 and Q8 are hatchbacks and all those BMW 'Gran Coupe's are hatchbacks.

I find it bizarre that the manufacturers are able to charge a premium for them over the saloon/SUV versions of the cars, though I totally get the utility of the hatchback configuration. What has happened to us?

6 Gran Coupe wasn't a hatchback?

[Ares]

Carl_Manchester said:

Car sales in the USA are at their lowest level since 1953 because they are buying more of these types of SUV.

Average hot hatch emits around 140g-150mg of Co2.

These new Cayennes emit between 212-261 of Co2. Don’t have a calculator but i assume that’s a 70-80% uplift.

JLR just announced a £3.5bn loss. Government are under increasing pressure to act against SUVs like this.

I can’t see these types of SUV having a very long product cycle, it feels like this will be the last of its type and Porsche probably committed themselves into developing this and decided to continue rather than doing the wise thing and pulling it.

Getting around the size of these things is one thing but Porsche are out of step with what the market needs. Whatever happened to the ‘efficient performance?’ mantra? does the world really want another Cayenne Turbo?

Out of step with market needs? Is that what YOU decide the market needs? Because SUVs are by far the fastest growing sector, so the market says something very different from what you say it should..?

[Ares]

Andy20vt said:

Hot Knife said:

You quoted me but left out the my one reason for choosing it. It's a coupe with an elevated driving position. It doesn't need to be a highly practical SUV and it doesn't need to be a sporty coupe with low weight.

If the world wanted exactly the same car it would suck. Live and let live.

But it's not a coupe! A coupe has two doors and is sleek, low slung and sporty. This is 4 a door saloon with a higher than normal centre of gravity.

A coupe has a fixed roof and a sloping rear.

Box ticked.

But why do you give a st anyway. You see no benefit of an SUV so don't rise to them?

[Ares]

Hot Knife said:

Andy20vt said:

Fantastic, just goes to show that with the right marketing behind something, you can sell any old crock of sh*t to the gullible. Even easier if it's packaged up as a convenient monthly payment

How nice of you to say. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but people in this world like different things for different reasons. Perhaps that's different in the world where you're from?

Didn't you know, you are supposed to get Andy's approval on any car you buy? He is Automotive Allah.

[anonymous-user]

Ares said:

RelentlessForwardProgress said:

It’s a hatchback... or are we all supposed to drink the kool aid and go along with the nonsensical naming? It’s not only Porsche, but come on, PH, call out this silliness. You are journalists, not industry PR people.

A coupe is a fixed roofed car with a sloping rear. How is this less a coupe than a 4-series or S-Class coupe?

Manufacturers can call their cars what they like. BMW use touring for estate. Others use Sportback. SUV/SUC/SAC - who gives a st?

Coupes tend to have 2 doors. Or 3, depending on who you ask in this thread.

The S-Class has 2 doors. The BMW 4-series Coupe has 2 doors, they use the phrase "gran coupe" for their 4 door version.

The comparison to a touring/estate isn't really valid, the point here is that a touring may be an estate, or a sports wagon, but that this 4 door thing isn't really a coupe, by the traditional definition.

For clarity, I couldn't give a single fk what it is, or what it's called. Just explaining the differences.

[anonymous-user]

That’s the least abhorrent SUV I think I’ve seen.

[Nerdherder]

RSchneider said:

How can the coupe be heavier than the regular version?? That is simply sloppy engineering. And V6 is the wrong engine for such a car. F**** emission regulations ruining the car industry. Those leftist busybody b****** should just buy their beloved Commie Zhiguli and leave the rest of the world alone!!

Riiiiiiight.

RDMcG said:

…. I get the Cayenne, but this removes space for no reason other than to make this strange pile. ….

This exactly.

[Ares]

BathyThermo said:

Ares said:

RelentlessForwardProgress said:

It’s a hatchback... or are we all supposed to drink the kool aid and go along with the nonsensical naming? It’s not only Porsche, but come on, PH, call out this silliness. You are journalists, not industry PR people.

A coupe is a fixed roofed car with a sloping rear. How is this less a coupe than a 4-series or S-Class coupe?

Manufacturers can call their cars what they like. BMW use touring for estate. Others use Sportback. SUV/SUC/SAC - who gives a st?

Coupes tend to have 2 doors. Or 3, depending on who you ask in this thread.

The S-Class has 2 doors. The BMW 4-series Coupe has 2 doors, they use the phrase "gran coupe" for their 4 door version.

The comparison to a touring/estate isn't really valid, the point here is that a touring may be an estate, or a sports wagon, but that this 4 door thing isn't really a coupe, by the traditional definition.

For clarity, I couldn't give a single fk what it is, or what it's called. Just explaining the differences.

'Tend to' but there are now plenty of '4-door coupes'. Merc, Audi, BMW, etc....

And as a say, the definition of coupe is fixed roof/sloping back.