RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 undisguised!

[blueg33]

To be fair - if you don't own a GT4 its pretty near impossible to get the chance to drive one, and a new version of it even less so.

[RacerMike]

phil4 said:

Since the exterior just seems to be a different intake, some side vent covers etc.... why don't they just make the normal Caymen look like this? it's not like the normal one is a "slow" car as such. In my eyes it looks "ok". Less boring than the normal one.

Because you're missing the entire point of every GT car ever. The intention is they favour the performance of the car over styling. Hence the big wings, many vents and sometimes slightly ungainly proportions. Obviously it's become slightly marketing lead these days (people now expect it to have big functional wings), but on the whole, someone buys a GT Car because the focus is on driving and performance...not on showing off.

[Fetchez la vache]

article said:

TThe last car recorded a 7:40, a time Porsche will expect to beat at some point.

Somewhat o/t but just realised that's the same speed the Renault just posted yesterday on the front page. That's what makes the Renault time interesting - a bit of context.
Not that I'd have it over the cayman...

[blueg33]

RacerMike said:

phil4 said:

Since the exterior just seems to be a different intake, some side vent covers etc.... why don't they just make the normal Caymen look like this? it's not like the normal one is a "slow" car as such. In my eyes it looks "ok". Less boring than the normal one.

Because you're missing the entire point of every GT car ever. The intention is they favour the performance of the car over styling. Hence the big wings, many vents and sometimes slightly ungainly proportions. Obviously it's become slightly marketing lead these days (people now expect it to have big functional wings), but on the whole, someone buys a GT Car because the focus is on driving and performance...not on showing off.

Slightly marketing led........... Surely you mean wholly marketing led. Limited edition car that you can't order unless you have bought xxx number of new Porsches in the last few years.

Cynical hat on - The whole GT4 thing is a way to get people to buy more cars than they would in normal circumstances

[RacerMike]

blueg33 said:

RacerMike said:

phil4 said:

Since the exterior just seems to be a different intake, some side vent covers etc.... why don't they just make the normal Caymen look like this? it's not like the normal one is a "slow" car as such. In my eyes it looks "ok". Less boring than the normal one.

Because you're missing the entire point of every GT car ever. The intention is they favour the performance of the car over styling. Hence the big wings, many vents and sometimes slightly ungainly proportions. Obviously it's become slightly marketing lead these days (people now expect it to have big functional wings), but on the whole, someone buys a GT Car because the focus is on driving and performance...not on showing off.

Slightly marketing led........... Surely you mean wholly marketing led. Limited edition car that you can't order unless you have bought xxx number of new Porsches in the last few years.

Cynical hat on - The whole GT4 thing is a way to get people to buy more cars than they would in normal circumstances

The limit on buying them though is entirely UK only. US/Germany you can pretty much just walk into a showroom and buy one. Friend in Dubai also had no trouble ordering a GT3RS (although a GT2 was limited even there). But.....that's got nothing to do with marketing. That's a supply/demand thing.

And also....if it was entirely marketing led, we'd see a 718 GTS with a body kit rather than a 3.8L F6 NA with custom suspension components. It's a significant task to re-engineer the car to make it a 'GT4' so it'd be a waste of money and effort if the company placed the priority on image alone. They know their customers need some substance behind the name.

[Terminator X]

Fetchez la vache said:

article said:

TThe last car recorded a 7:40, a time Porsche will expect to beat at some point.

Somewhat o/t but just realised that's the same speed the Renault just posted yesterday on the front page. That's what makes the Renault time interesting - a bit of context.
Not that I'd have it over the cayman...

O/T topic but a truly amazing time for the Renault, look at the performance cars surrounding it on the fastest lap table!

TX.

[blueg33]

RacerMike said:

The limit on buying them though is entirely UK only. US/Germany you can pretty much just walk into a showroom and buy one. Friend in Dubai also had no trouble ordering a GT3RS (although a GT2 was limited even there). But.....that's got nothing to do with marketing. That's a supply/demand thing.

And also....if it was entirely marketing led, we'd see a 718 GTS with a body kit rather than a 3.8L F6 NA with custom suspension components. It's a significant task to re-engineer the car to make it a 'GT4' so it'd be a waste of money and effort if the company placed the priority on image alone. They know their customers need some substance behind the name.

Fair enough. I wonder, can I walk into a German dealership and order a right hand drive one?

[Twinfan]

blueg33 said:

To be fair - if you don't own a GT4 its pretty near impossible to get the chance to drive one, and a new version of it even less so.

It's actually very easy, you just need to book yourself onto a session at the Porsche Experience Centre at SIlverstone:

https://www.porsche.com/silverstone/en/

[eyebeebe]

RacerMike said:

The limit on buying them though is entirely UK only. US/Germany you can pretty much just walk into a showroom and buy one. Friend in Dubai also had no trouble ordering a GT3RS (although a GT2 was limited even there). But.....that's got nothing to do with marketing. That's a supply/demand thing.

Agreed. I asked my local Porsche dealership in Switzerland last year about a Boxster Spyder. The only relationship I have with them is that I test drove a Macan, but didn‘t buy. I now have a contract for one when it is released.

[blueg33]

Twinfan said:

It's actually very easy, you just need to book yourself onto a session at the Porsche Experience Centre at SIlverstone:

https://www.porsche.com/silverstone/en/

Hadn't thought of that, and I've been there often enough.

[RedSwede]

RacerMike said:

The limit on buying them though is entirely UK only. US/Germany you can pretty much just walk into a showroom and buy one. Friend in Dubai also had no trouble ordering a GT3RS (although a GT2 was limited even there). But.....that's got nothing to do with marketing. That's a supply/demand thing.

And also....if it was entirely marketing led, we'd see a 718 GTS with a body kit rather than a 3.8L F6 NA with custom suspension components. It's a significant task to re-engineer the car to make it a 'GT4' so it'd be a waste of money and effort if the company placed the priority on image alone. They know their customers need some substance behind the name.

It's not entirely UK at all. Some markets are different - I think Germany is one of the easier, but US still has a bit of a bun fight as I understand, and Canada evidently has a near identical situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leTKx93DAEY

[McFarnsworth]

eyebeebe said:

RacerMike said:

The limit on buying them though is entirely UK only. US/Germany you can pretty much just walk into a showroom and buy one. Friend in Dubai also had no trouble ordering a GT3RS (although a GT2 was limited even there). But.....that's got nothing to do with marketing. That's a supply/demand thing.

Agreed. I asked my local Porsche dealership in Switzerland last year about a Boxster Spyder. The only relationship I have with them is that I test drove a Macan, but didn‘t buy. I now have a contract for one when it is released.

Same in Belgium, walked into the dealership last year without ever having been there previously, and they immediately put me on the list for a GT4.

[RacerMike]

RedSwede said:

RacerMike said:

The limit on buying them though is entirely UK only. US/Germany you can pretty much just walk into a showroom and buy one. Friend in Dubai also had no trouble ordering a GT3RS (although a GT2 was limited even there). But.....that's got nothing to do with marketing. That's a supply/demand thing.

And also....if it was entirely marketing led, we'd see a 718 GTS with a body kit rather than a 3.8L F6 NA with custom suspension components. It's a significant task to re-engineer the car to make it a 'GT4' so it'd be a waste of money and effort if the company placed the priority on image alone. They know their customers need some substance behind the name.

It's not entirely UK at all. Some markets are different - I think Germany is one of the easier, but US still has a bit of a bun fight as I understand, and Canada evidently has a near identical situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leTKx93DAEY

US might be a little tougher than Germany, but they didn't have anywhere near the restrictions on GT3RS's. But perhaps much of that was due to WLTP rather than anything else.

[herebebeasties]

boxsey said:

You can guarantee that none of them have driven a GT4.

Of course they haven't. They weren't allowed to buy one new, and most of them are tucked up in climate controlled garages on sub-10k mileage waiting to be sold for a profit. Which is mostly what's wrong with Porsche these days.

[wizard263789]

Pistonhead reporters should read and look at the Porsche Christophorus magazine, there's been photos of the 718 GT4 for a couple of weeks now. It's a 3.8 with 425BHP.

P.s. It's on pages 75 and 76...

[130R]

wizard263789 said:

Pistonhead reporters should read and look at the Porsche Christophorus magazine, there's been photos of the 718 GT4 for a couple of weeks now. It's a 3.8 with 425BHP.

P.s. It's on pages 75 and 76...

I got sent that magazine and that's the GT4 Clubsport race car, not the road car

[Julian Thompson]

I think it’s fab. I drove one of the earlier GT4’s that belonged to a pal of mine and I thought it was a really well balanced car and very worthy in every way. Up the rev range it didn’t have the urgency or power of the GT3 but still a great car.

Interestingly my friend sold his GT4, got a mclaren 570 and kept it only a few weeks before announcing that he was missing Porsche. Shortly after a GT3RS turned up and the world began to turn again.

I’m certain this new one is going to be absolutely brilliant - and let’s not forget that the 992 is a little different than the 991 - I wonder if that will cement the new GT4 as one of the ones to have that offers spirit of Porsche?

[Paddy78]

Audemars said:

Can Porsche go bankrupt please....

Really don't understand why they haven't already with their ultra dull and fugly product offering.

What a surprise, the anti-Porsche troll doesn't like a Porsche. Why don't you stick to driving your exotica? Much more rewarding than posting about cars you don't like.

Edited by Paddy78 on Friday 24th May 13:18

[sidesauce]

Audemars said:

Really don't understand why they haven't already with their ultra dull and fugly product offering.

Because Porsche are smarter than you in realising that people actually want to buy their cars and they make an extremely healthy profit selling said people those cars.

Also because no-one who actually buys them and enjoys them cares what you think.

HTH.