RE: Team Dynamics reveals 400hp Civic Type R
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Jon_S_Rally said:
The S3 isn't meant to drive as well as a Golf R is it? I had one of those for a year and was bored within six months. Extremely capable but just not engaging. You may as well have been a passenger. Obviously it's not as dull as 1.6TDI but, compared to some of the best hot hatches out there, it just can't match them in terms of feeling special, or having great steering, or a nice sounding engine. They're a great all-rounder, but they don't really excel at anything in particular.
Of course the Honda doesn't NEED wild styling, but that's part of it's USP. It is sold as a "track car for the road". If it had subdued styling, it would just be another bland box and it would never get anywhere near its rivals. As you say yourself, Honda can't match the Germans in terms of interior quality or badge prestige, I can't blame them for trying something different, as they were always going to struggle to beat the likes of VW at their own game. Let's face it, while the older Type-R models didn't have particularly wild styling, they still had s
te interiors, so not that much has changed in reality. They were never exactly pretty either.
Ultimately, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That's the great thing about us having lots of choice though.
The older cars were from the 90's to early 00's and were cheaper, which you can forgive it for having an average interior but if I am paying 30k+ on a car, I want the interior to be less plastic for a start, but each to their own at the end of the day. A track car for the road doesn't need to be wild either, look at the Renault Clio 182 for example to even the current Renault Clio RS. Anyway we could go on all day but I won't be buying an FK8 ever so I don't need to worry about it Of course the Honda doesn't NEED wild styling, but that's part of it's USP. It is sold as a "track car for the road". If it had subdued styling, it would just be another bland box and it would never get anywhere near its rivals. As you say yourself, Honda can't match the Germans in terms of interior quality or badge prestige, I can't blame them for trying something different, as they were always going to struggle to beat the likes of VW at their own game. Let's face it, while the older Type-R models didn't have particularly wild styling, they still had s
te interiors, so not that much has changed in reality. They were never exactly pretty either.Ultimately, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That's the great thing about us having lots of choice though.
chow pan toon said:
Your subtle is my "so boring I'd lose it on the drive".
That's lovely, tell me more about the outrageous car you have on your driveway Shuthan_S5 said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
Good on you.
All this "I couldn't drive that at my age" business is painfully dull. It's sad that people worry so much about what other people think of them that they'd rather have something worse in order to avoid being judged by people that they don't know and will likely never even speak to.
I have driven an S3 and I would say that is not dull, but people listen too much to what the media think than take the car down a nice road and witness it for themselves. I am just saying that for a car that has just over 300BHP, it does not need to look outrageous, its not a Lamborghini at the end of the day. It is like Honda wanted to be noticed in the hot hatch market and went mad with putting all sorts on the car. No other hot hatch has silly styling like that and most of them produce more power than the CTR.All this "I couldn't drive that at my age" business is painfully dull. It's sad that people worry so much about what other people think of them that they'd rather have something worse in order to avoid being judged by people that they don't know and will likely never even speak to.
Oh and I don't care about what other people think, I just couldn't stand to look at it every day I come out of my house, it is that ugly to me, and that includes the interior where you spend a lot of your time in, for a car that is 32k or so, the interior is a bit too plastic.
Edited by Shuthan_S5 on Friday 24th May 13:12
I don’t doubt the S3 being a good car, most year old S3’s are even cheaper than the Civic which is why I considered it but I was looking at so many with so many different specs, I had a vision of me trying to sell it in 3 years time without a warranty and losing money as I am now trying to sell my car.
I’d rather buy something more honest like the civic that comes with everything and is purpose built from scratch, it won’t depreciate as much, wont give me hassle and comes with everything standard so there are no worries about finding the right spec!
Honda will give you a maximum of £1,000 discount, Audi’s and BMW give you thousands off with deposit contributions and low interest rates, what does that tell you about your fabled S3? Over priced and demand created by the finance options, not the car itself.
Crikkie, folks really don't approve of this car on here!!
I had a couple of evos back in the 00's and these strike me as the modern day equivalent. The vents, the spoilers, the standing out from the crowd.
I say good on Honda. Clearly built a very capable car.
Not my cup of tea nowadays, but tbh neither is a golf or an A3. Would love a go in one though.
I had a couple of evos back in the 00's and these strike me as the modern day equivalent. The vents, the spoilers, the standing out from the crowd.
I say good on Honda. Clearly built a very capable car.
Not my cup of tea nowadays, but tbh neither is a golf or an A3. Would love a go in one though.
Chestrockwell said:
Interior is fine to me considering, the infotainment system isn’t on my current BMW’s idrive standard but with apple car play, that’s all I’m going to be using so it doesn’t even matter!
I don’t doubt the S3 being a good car, most year old S3’s are even cheaper than the Civic which is why I considered it but I was looking at so many with so many different specs, I had a vision of me trying to sell it in 3 years time without a warranty and losing money as I am now trying to sell my car.
I’d rather buy something more honest like the civic that comes with everything and is purpose built from scratch, it won’t depreciate as much, wont give me hassle and comes with everything standard so there are no worries about finding the right spec!
Honda will give you a maximum of £1,000 discount, Audi’s and BMW give you thousands off with deposit contributions and low interest rates, what does that tell you about your fabled S3? Over priced and demand created by the finance options, not the car itself.
I think most manufacturers give insane discounts at times, tells me nothing at all, not that I own an S3 anyway but why is Honda packing up Swindon if they are doing soo well? I don't see as much CTR's as I see S3 and Golf R's but at the end of the day, I wouldn't put my 30K into the FK8 by no means but I understand why many would in terms of capability.I don’t doubt the S3 being a good car, most year old S3’s are even cheaper than the Civic which is why I considered it but I was looking at so many with so many different specs, I had a vision of me trying to sell it in 3 years time without a warranty and losing money as I am now trying to sell my car.
I’d rather buy something more honest like the civic that comes with everything and is purpose built from scratch, it won’t depreciate as much, wont give me hassle and comes with everything standard so there are no worries about finding the right spec!
Honda will give you a maximum of £1,000 discount, Audi’s and BMW give you thousands off with deposit contributions and low interest rates, what does that tell you about your fabled S3? Over priced and demand created by the finance options, not the car itself.
Edited by Shuthan_S5 on Friday 24th May 15:03
TheDrBrian said:
Pray tell how does solid mesh "printed" plastic help the aero?
It doesn't, but I didn't mention fake mesh. Let's face it, Honda aren't the only ones to use that trick.Shuthan_S5 said:
The older cars were from the 90's to early 00's and were cheaper, which you can forgive it for having an average interior but if I am paying 30k+ on a car, I want the interior to be less plastic for a start, but each to their own at the end of the day. A track car for the road doesn't need to be wild either, look at the Renault Clio 182 for example to even the current Renault Clio RS. Anyway we could go on all day but I won't be buying an FK8 ever so I don't need to worry about it
Were they that much cheaper? An EP3 Type-R was similar money to a Focus ST, which it still is. £30k sounds a lot, but that's the going rate for a lot of C-segment hot hatches these days. It doesn't need to be wild, but that's the USP Honda have gone for and good on them I say. Everyone else is staying very conservative for the most part, but variety is the spice of life Jon_S_Rally said:
Were they that much cheaper? An EP3 Type-R was similar money to a Focus ST, which it still is. £30k sounds a lot, but that's the going rate for a lot of C-segment hot hatches these days. It doesn't need to be wild, but that's the USP Honda have gone for and good on them I say. Everyone else is staying very conservative for the most part, but variety is the spice of life
I recall the EP3 at the time undercut its similar rivals even the Focus by a few grand at the time hence its popularity. Shuthan_S5 said:
I haven't got an issue on them going turbo on their cars, I understand they have to now, but I have never liked shouty styling with silly spoilers and fake arch vents on any car and the interior is not a nice place to be either, plus bearing in mind its still a FWD car so no idea why you need a silly spoiler on it. If I had to pick a current hot hatch, it would be the S3 or Golf R as its subtle, nicer interior and has identical pace to the CTR. I do understand people like to maybe stand out with this sort of styling but its not for me and don't think the styling will ever grow on me either. They are really capable cars though, got to give it that.
The vents are partially fake, the extended arches allow a significantly wider track.It's a car that does nearly 170mph , why on earth the driven wheels have any bearing on whether it needs some aero to counter lift at those speeds I don't see at all. Its got the most comfortable seats I've tried whilst being very supportive has a perfect low set driving position and a sublime gearchange.
Chestrockwell said:
Dblue said:
You know something guys, I 've had a pretty big collection of great performance cars over the years but I get nothing but positive, sometimes
gushing appreciation of my FK8
I know what those that don't like it mean but it looks special.
It does make me laugh when proponents of Golf Rs or M140i sneer. They look just like thousands of cooking diesel versions of their respective ranges. You need to be pretty clued up to know it's actually the quick one.
Just been buzzed along a favourite but busy bit of "A" road by a guy in Golf R who wanted to "play" - But in the low sun I honestly mistook it for a TDi
But if it was a quiet early morning I know which car I'd prefer to be in
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I love it and I’m currently in negotiations with a dealer, will be putting a deposit down as soon as a part ex price on my car is agreed, 2 extended test drives later, I’m itching to get into it. I originally wanted a black one but decided to go for the championship white, pictures don’t do this car justice, in the flesh, it’s an absolute beast!gushing appreciation of my FK8
I know what those that don't like it mean but it looks special.
It does make me laugh when proponents of Golf Rs or M140i sneer. They look just like thousands of cooking diesel versions of their respective ranges. You need to be pretty clued up to know it's actually the quick one.
Just been buzzed along a favourite but busy bit of "A" road by a guy in Golf R who wanted to "play" - But in the low sun I honestly mistook it for a TDi
But if it was a quiet early morning I know which car I'd prefer to be in
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I completely agree re the M140i’s and Golf R’s, I kept going back to the M140i’s as they’re actually cheaper with lower miles and newer but there’s just so many of them on the road, they have a special engine but they’re just not special. To me, the FK8 is what a hot hatch SHOULD look like.
The only 2 things I didn’t like was the lack of drama from exhaust on downshifts and up shifts and the sound system, very poor considering it’s an 11 speaker upgraded system.
I keep looking on YouTube for different exhaust set ups and none of them sound that nice, or that much better than standard to warrant the money!
Passed out drunk on th floor.
Many have said it before me, but what I never get on these threads is why we don't all just celebrate that seemingly we're living through a great patch for hot hatches, there's seemingly one for all most everyone. In 20 years time we'll lament the loss of ICE, manual cars, cars with gears full stop etc, we've already lost the last 6 cylinder one.
Enjoy whilst we can, whatever your preferred one is!
Enjoy whilst we can, whatever your preferred one is!
yonex said:
TheDrBrian said:
Pray tell how does solid mesh "printed" plastic help the aero?
Did you miss the part about lightly modified road car? What are you expecting. Carbon vents with active aero?
Have you seen a CTR? Have a look at those big black bits of plastic on the front and rear bumpers. The ones that have a mesh on then that are trying to look like vents.
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