RE: Audi TT RS Sport Edition | Driven
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av185 said:
RemyMartin81D said:
Also used in Aldi TT to deride Peugeot RCZ owners. Wasn't funny then, isn't funny now.
Anything used to deride woeful Peugeot RCZs or their owners is fair game....
:My head turns every time I see one though, stunning exterior design to my eyes.
VeeFource said:
Love how the use of words such as 'blitzed' and 'minced' get used on these threads when comparing cars with sub 4 second 0-60 times. It would be hard enough putting a decent gap on the other car on a track let alone without taking stupid risks on the public roads...
Indeed. Unless Porsche and co have some anti-physics tech that I don't know about driving their GT cars, or indeed this car, to the extremes where the differences would be palpable would either mean you're a rally driver, or you'd be in the trees within a couple of minutes.
It's seriously stupid comparing cars that are that quick, as you say. Perhaps there's an element of wanting to justify spending twice as much, which is again silly because price is just one variable.
av185 said:
VeeFource said:
It would be hard enough putting a decent gap on the other car on a track let alone without taking stupid risks on the public roads...
Really?Rather depends if your metric is PH folklore or official figures:
I've been reading this thread with interest and previous topics involving this particular car. Some of the criticism is justified but I can't believe how much stick this car gets and a lot of it is unfair - but I do respect everyone's opinion, so here's mine.
I went and bought one a couple of months ago, it was six months old. I believe you buy a car that suits your lifestyle at that time. I live in the sticks so I need a 4WD vehicle. I didn't want a high riding 4X4, I like fast 4WD cars, my journey to work isn't the most exciting, it's mainly A roads and a few junctions up the M6 so the TTRS was one of very few cars that caught my eye. I don't drive like an idiot and I don't like the back end sliding out when I drive, I like a safe, fast, stylish, well built car and I can't think of anything faster for the money and this well built and that makes it a performance bargain. It does have one or two issues in my eyes - the Audi Cockpit sometimes is difficult to operate - although that may be my age, but what car doesn't have issues? No car is perfect.
It looks the business (just my personal opinion) has a great interior, is well equipped, as an everyday proposition it nails it for me. I don't want to be driving like an idiot on public roads in case I kill someone or kill myself. I like the acceleration on a safe road when it's clear - which isn't often on my journeys to and from work but that's it. Anything more than that and it's a racetrack for me where it's safer. I'm sure a Cayman, Alpine etc are better 'drivers' cars but the TTS RS works for me as a great all rounder.
Some of the criticism is way unfair, from people who have never been in one or driven one, some of it is fair - I respect everyone's opinion, I just thought I'd share mine as I own one. It suits my lifestyle at the moment.
I went and bought one a couple of months ago, it was six months old. I believe you buy a car that suits your lifestyle at that time. I live in the sticks so I need a 4WD vehicle. I didn't want a high riding 4X4, I like fast 4WD cars, my journey to work isn't the most exciting, it's mainly A roads and a few junctions up the M6 so the TTRS was one of very few cars that caught my eye. I don't drive like an idiot and I don't like the back end sliding out when I drive, I like a safe, fast, stylish, well built car and I can't think of anything faster for the money and this well built and that makes it a performance bargain. It does have one or two issues in my eyes - the Audi Cockpit sometimes is difficult to operate - although that may be my age, but what car doesn't have issues? No car is perfect.
It looks the business (just my personal opinion) has a great interior, is well equipped, as an everyday proposition it nails it for me. I don't want to be driving like an idiot on public roads in case I kill someone or kill myself. I like the acceleration on a safe road when it's clear - which isn't often on my journeys to and from work but that's it. Anything more than that and it's a racetrack for me where it's safer. I'm sure a Cayman, Alpine etc are better 'drivers' cars but the TTS RS works for me as a great all rounder.
Some of the criticism is way unfair, from people who have never been in one or driven one, some of it is fair - I respect everyone's opinion, I just thought I'd share mine as I own one. It suits my lifestyle at the moment.
Olivera said:
av185 said:
Which is that any truly rapid focused car Porsche GT Ferrari or otherwise will blitz this Audi simply because in any relatively fast road going situation the 'focused' car will be at max say four tenths of its capabilities whereas at the same time the Audi will be at ten tenths which will mean the Audi will be compromised in areas such as handling turn in braking tyres gearbox and crucially feedback to the driver etc etc and therefore slower.
Is that so hard to understand?
Sorry this is just nonsense.Is that so hard to understand?
Outright speed on the road, when we are talking say TTRS vs 911 GT2/3, is almost entirely based upon how crazy and law-breaking a driver wants to get behind the wheel.
A 911 GT2 driver that wants to drive fast but safely, and not to crazy speeds, will get blitzed by an unhinged driver in a TTRS that's prepared to overtake when there is poor visibility and blind bends.
However, the GT3 takes some skill to extract the best from it. The TTRS doesn't. For most people with half decent driving skills, they could drop into the TTRS and drive very very quickly.
Blonk the same driver into a supercar and they just won't be a quick across the same road. RWD 500bhp+ cars are generally scary cars for the general driving public. Too much throttle in the corner, back end steps out. While we all think we could handle a car like Colin Mcrae, we can't. First time it happened, your heart would race and your brain / right foot would say SLOW DOWN.
The TT will just grip and go. Hence why in most situations with normal (Not driving gods) drivers the TTRS will be the quicker car. Probably why Impreza's / Evo's were always classed as the supercar slayers.
yonex said:
av185 said:
The only reason it has been the subject of discussion is because some deluded posters claim the Audi is as rapid. 
I'd wager you wouldn't get past one on the road. : for the Audi.Especially a road similar to this. Ok, a little extreme but you get my point. It would all be about max possible speed on the straights, best performance on braking, turn in and cornering capabilities together with optimum weight distribution under power and out of corner acceleration under max tyre limits.
Anyone who thinks the Audi wouldn't be way out of its depth needs to have a serious word with themselves.
boozyjay said:
I've been reading this thread with interest and previous topics involving this particular car. Some of the criticism is justified but I can't believe how much stick this car gets and a lot of it is unfair - but I do respect everyone's opinion, so here's mine.
I went and bought one a couple of months ago, it was six months old. I believe you buy a car that suits your lifestyle at that time. I live in the sticks so I need a 4WD vehicle. I didn't want a high riding 4X4, I like fast 4WD cars, my journey to work isn't the most exciting, it's mainly A roads and a few junctions up the M6 so the TTRS was one of very few cars that caught my eye. I don't drive like an idiot and I don't like the back end sliding out when I drive, I like a safe, fast, stylish, well built car and I can't think of anything faster for the money and this well built and that makes it a performance bargain. It does have one or two issues in my eyes - the Audi Cockpit sometimes is difficult to operate - although that may be my age, but what car doesn't have issues? No car is perfect.
It looks the business (just my personal opinion) has a great interior, is well equipped, as an everyday proposition it nails it for me. I don't want to be driving like an idiot on public roads in case I kill someone or kill myself. I like the acceleration on a safe road when it's clear - which isn't often on my journeys to and from work but that's it. Anything more than that and it's a racetrack for me where it's safer. I'm sure a Cayman, Alpine etc are better 'drivers' cars but the TTS RS works for me as a great all rounder.
Some of the criticism is way unfair, from people who have never been in one or driven one, some of it is fair - I respect everyone's opinion, I just thought I'd share mine as I own one. It suits my lifestyle at the moment.
Nice post Sir I went and bought one a couple of months ago, it was six months old. I believe you buy a car that suits your lifestyle at that time. I live in the sticks so I need a 4WD vehicle. I didn't want a high riding 4X4, I like fast 4WD cars, my journey to work isn't the most exciting, it's mainly A roads and a few junctions up the M6 so the TTRS was one of very few cars that caught my eye. I don't drive like an idiot and I don't like the back end sliding out when I drive, I like a safe, fast, stylish, well built car and I can't think of anything faster for the money and this well built and that makes it a performance bargain. It does have one or two issues in my eyes - the Audi Cockpit sometimes is difficult to operate - although that may be my age, but what car doesn't have issues? No car is perfect.
It looks the business (just my personal opinion) has a great interior, is well equipped, as an everyday proposition it nails it for me. I don't want to be driving like an idiot on public roads in case I kill someone or kill myself. I like the acceleration on a safe road when it's clear - which isn't often on my journeys to and from work but that's it. Anything more than that and it's a racetrack for me where it's safer. I'm sure a Cayman, Alpine etc are better 'drivers' cars but the TTS RS works for me as a great all rounder.
Some of the criticism is way unfair, from people who have never been in one or driven one, some of it is fair - I respect everyone's opinion, I just thought I'd share mine as I own one. It suits my lifestyle at the moment.
av185 said:
It seems you roll that particular rag out for every Porsche related argument. Have you got any personal track times to share? Also, the point you’re missing. A TTRS, on public roads is only limited by the risks the driver is willing to take. I know you’re a little bit hurt a TT has such pace but that’s life. Nobody buys a one as a track day car, what’s your problem?
Honestly, you need to give the tired line of ‘I’ve got a GT Porsche so everything else is rubbish’ a bit of a rest, it makes you sound like a bit of a pillock
av185 said:
I'd wager you would in any number of more focused road cars assuming equally competent drivers. Yes, the Audi is undoubtedly reasonably quick in a straight line. But under more challenging driving conditions, and not necessarily totally high speed related driving conditions (to pacify those snowflakes on here who might be offended by anyone possibly killing bunnies on the public road over 70mph lol), things would rapidly start to go downhill (literally) : for the Audi.
Especially a road similar to this. Ok, a little extreme but you get my point. It would all be about max possible speed on the straights, best performance on braking, turn in and cornering capabilities together with optimum weight distribution under power and out of corner acceleration under max tyre limits.
Anyone who thinks the Audi wouldn't be way out of its depth needs to have a serious word with themselves.
That road is so extreme any advantage the super car has would be negated.: for the Audi.Especially a road similar to this. Ok, a little extreme but you get my point. It would all be about max possible speed on the straights, best performance on braking, turn in and cornering capabilities together with optimum weight distribution under power and out of corner acceleration under max tyre limits.
Anyone who thinks the Audi wouldn't be way out of its depth needs to have a serious word with themselves.
It’s actually a perfect one shot opportunity for a car like the TT, point squirt, fire out of the corners.
Yes it would be hard on the front tyres and brakes (ceramics would help) but that’s probably the only difference of note.
yonex said:
av185 said:
It seems you roll that particular rag out for every Porsche related argument. Have you got any personal track times to share? Also, the point you’re missing. A TTRS, on public roads is only limited by the risks the driver is willing to take. I know you’re a little bit hurt a TT has such pace but that’s life. Nobody buys a one as a track day car, what’s your problem?
Honestly, you need to give the tired line of ‘I’ve got a GT Porsche so everything else is rubbish’ a bit of a rest, it makes you sound like a bit of a pillock
To help you understand what others have been trying to communicate to you in vain:
https://youtu.be/WpA0EHSdjm0
Edited by C.MW on Sunday 26th May 10:46
yonex said:
Also, the point you’re missing. A TTRS, on public roads is only limited by the risks the driver is willing to take. I know you’re a little bit hurt a TT has such pace but that’s life. Nobody buys a one as a track day car, what’s your problem?
Ha thanks for repeating the obvious yet again.Fully aware noone buys an Audi for track use you included despite you continually and delusionally banging the Audi drum lol thats why I explained the road use scenario.
But once more you have completely missed my point or rather chosen to ignore it which does makes you look a bit of a tit but there you go your choice.
av185 said:
Anyone who thinks the Audi wouldn't be way out of its depth needs to have a serious word with themselves.
If that's your measure of what makes a decent performance car which is easy to live with you clearly lead a very different life to the rest of us. As I said before, it's really not competing with top level Porsches etc, except perhaps for speed, more M2s et al. You don't seem to get that.
av185 said:
I'd wager you would in any number of more focused road cars assuming equally competent drivers. Yes, the Audi is undoubtedly reasonably quick in a straight line. But under more challenging driving conditions, and not necessarily totally high speed related driving conditions (to pacify those snowflakes on here who might be offended by anyone possibly killing bunnies on the public road over 70mph lol), things would rapidly start to go downhill (literally) : for the Audi.
Especially a road similar to this. Ok, a little extreme but you get my point. It would all be about max possible speed on the straights, best performance on braking, turn in and cornering capabilities together with optimum weight distribution under power and out of corner acceleration under max tyre limits.
Anyone who thinks the Audi wouldn't be way out of its depth needs to have a serious word with themselves.
Well, if you read the Autocar review what you’re saying is the polar opposite.: for the Audi.Especially a road similar to this. Ok, a little extreme but you get my point. It would all be about max possible speed on the straights, best performance on braking, turn in and cornering capabilities together with optimum weight distribution under power and out of corner acceleration under max tyre limits.
Anyone who thinks the Audi wouldn't be way out of its depth needs to have a serious word with themselves.
They concluded the TTRS was faster than anything this side of a 911 turbo and GTR and that whilst displaying the usual ‘fast Audi’ traits it carried massive speed cross country. I’m sure you think you would destroy one on Stelvio pass but I’d wager you’d run out of talent trying. The Audi, for me, is deeply impressive. So what if it doesn’t have the last dregs of feel, it’s a modern road production car, they’re all devoid of feel. For that you need a lightweight vehicle, Caterfield and the like, but that’s a different discussion. Although I’ll point out it appears you’re lost in ultimate track times (which you wouldn’t have a hope of matching).
It’s a 50K car, why are you bothered, is it your position to make yourself feel better by reminding everyone (again) about your GT3? I’d have thought you’d fully understand the value of the TT RS and what it achieves for its price. Sub 4 sec 60, faster than any Porsche in a straight line up to the 911 turbo and a proper engine, not a farty 4 pot! Secure in the wet, not too precious to use and nice place to sit. It’s fast, not ‘reasonably quick’, unless you Class you’re own car as a bit tardy?
The real value though is to get under the skin of Porsche owners. Priceless, just shows what an insecure bunch you are
Stop being so judgemental.
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