RE: Audi TT RS Sport Edition | Driven
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Johnny5hoods said:
Impressive how VAG manage to charge £52,000 for a sports car based on the Golf chassis.
Whatever you think of the car, you've got to hand it to them - they're brilliant businessmen.
I guess that you must know how much they cost to build then? Say vs an equivalent boxster?Whatever you think of the car, you've got to hand it to them - they're brilliant businessmen.
Johnny5hoods said:
Impressive how VAG manage to charge £52,000 for a sports car based on the Golf chassis.
Whatever you think of the car, you've got to hand it to them - they're brilliant businessmen.
BMW charge £52k for a car based on a £25k 2 series, which in turn is based on a £23k 1 series.Whatever you think of the car, you've got to hand it to them - they're brilliant businessmen.
big_rob_sydney said:
I totally get why it sells.
You have something that ticks a lot of boxes, for not a lot of money relative to some other "competitors". And what does it NOT do well? According to the article, handling at the limit. Aside from a small demographic of self-appointed (and therefore irrelevant) driving gods, the rest of the human population will look on this as a good proposition.
It's not for me though. You know, being a driving god and all...
Haha! Perfectly put! (Being a bit of a driving god myself and all, but I don't like to brag!). You have something that ticks a lot of boxes, for not a lot of money relative to some other "competitors". And what does it NOT do well? According to the article, handling at the limit. Aside from a small demographic of self-appointed (and therefore irrelevant) driving gods, the rest of the human population will look on this as a good proposition.
It's not for me though. You know, being a driving god and all...
Arsecati said:
Johnny5hoods said:
Impressive how VAG manage to charge £52,000 for a sports car based on the Golf chassis.
Whatever you think of the car, you've got to hand it to them - they're brilliant businessmen.
Or brilliant engineers maybe?Whatever you think of the car, you've got to hand it to them - they're brilliant businessmen.
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av185 said:
I get your point entirely but in terms of width restricting progress the GT3/GT2RS for example is only 12mm wider than the Audi so nothing really in it.
Is that true? I would have thought there would be more in it than that.Quite like that 'joke' btw......
Shiv_P said:
A novice and potentially a pro driver on a known or unknown piece of road I can guarantee would be as quick in a TTRS vs a GT3 RS.
Got to love these wild armchair PH claims.Quite how are you going to guarantee it?
It's rubbish anyway. Have you owned or driven any GT3 RS. Clearly not.
Even a 997 never mind a 991 would mince the Audi on a wet or dry road. Assuming the cars have equal driving talent.
av185 said:
Shiv_P said:
A novice and potentially a pro driver on a known or unknown piece of road I can guarantee would be as quick in a TTRS vs a GT3 RS.
Got to love these wild armchair PH claims.Quite how are you going to guarantee it?
It's rubbish anyway. Have you owned or driven any GT3 RS. Clearly not.
Even a 997 never mind a 991 would mince the Audi on a wet or dry road. Assuming the cars have equal driving talent.
av185 said:
Got to love these wild armchair PH claims.
Quite how are you going to guarantee it?
It's rubbish anyway. Have you owned or driven any GT3 RS. Clearly not.
Even a 997 never mind a 991 would mince the Audi on a wet or dry road. Assuming the cars have equal driving talent.
Nope. It’s come down to who took the biggest risks. And stop talking about the GT3 as if it’s the natural competition to a TT. Obviously different price points. How would the GT3 do against a McLaren Senna, therefore all GT3’s are sQuite how are you going to guarantee it?
It's rubbish anyway. Have you owned or driven any GT3 RS. Clearly not.
Even a 997 never mind a 991 would mince the Audi on a wet or dry road. Assuming the cars have equal driving talent.
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av185 said:
Shiv_P said:
A novice and potentially a pro driver on a known or unknown piece of road I can guarantee would be as quick in a TTRS vs a GT3 RS.
Got to love these wild armchair PH claims.Quite how are you going to guarantee it?
It's rubbish anyway. Have you owned or driven any GT3 RS. Clearly not.
Even a 997 never mind a 991 would mince the Audi on a wet or dry road. Assuming the cars have equal driving talent.
The point is that on a road with other road users, limited visibility, diesel spills, gravel, etc, you simply cannot exploit a GT3 RS to 100% of its ability. It will always be a question of how brave, or how little care one has for others around them, that determines what happens next.
Frankly, the kind of thinking you seem to be determined to employ suggest you don't give a f
k about who is around you, because you seem to want to treat public roads like your own personal race track.The flip side of that might be, if I ever caught you doing that around me or my family, I'd happily put a brick through your face.
Brooking10 said:
Totally get that.
I think a lot of people though do end up finding RS cars in general as very agreeable ownership propositions.
Have you tried one ?
No, I am no longer in a position to buy cars at that sort of price level and they do nothing for me so I would not want to waste a dealers time.I think a lot of people though do end up finding RS cars in general as very agreeable ownership propositions.
Have you tried one ?
big_rob_sydney said:
It's clearly not the simplistic point that the GT3 RS is a faster car. We all know that.
The point is that on a road with other road users, limited visibility, diesel spills, gravel, etc, you simply cannot exploit a GT3 RS to 100% of its ability. It will always be a question of how brave, or how little care one has for others around them, that determines what happens next.
Frankly, the kind of thinking you seem to be determined to employ suggest you don't give a fk about who is around you, because you seem to want to treat public roads like your own personal race track.
The flip side of that might be, if I ever caught you doing that around me or my family, I'd happily put a brick through your face.
Touchy and somewhat violent and needless ott response.The point is that on a road with other road users, limited visibility, diesel spills, gravel, etc, you simply cannot exploit a GT3 RS to 100% of its ability. It will always be a question of how brave, or how little care one has for others around them, that determines what happens next.
Frankly, the kind of thinking you seem to be determined to employ suggest you don't give a f
k about who is around you, because you seem to want to treat public roads like your own personal race track.The flip side of that might be, if I ever caught you doing that around me or my family, I'd happily put a brick through your face.
I am fully aware of the limits of not just a GT3 RS but a new GT2 RS....as I own one alongside a new GT3 btw. The GT2 RS is on another level again performance wise as I am sure you are aware.
And you are sorely missing the point.
Which is that any truly rapid focused car Porsche GT Ferrari or otherwise will blitz this Audi simply because in any relatively fast road going situation the 'focused' car will be at max say four tenths of its capabilities whereas at the same time the Audi will be at ten tenths which will mean the Audi will be compromised in areas such as handling turn in braking tyres gearbox and crucially feedback to the driver etc etc and therefore slower.
Is that so hard to understand?
av185 said:
Touchy and somewhat violent and needless ott response.
I am fully aware of the limits of not just a GT3 RS but a new GT2 RS....as I own one alongside a new GT3 btw. The GT2 RS is on another level again performance wise as I am sure you are aware.
And you are sorely missing the point.
Which is that any truly rapid focused car Porsche GT Ferrari or otherwise will blitz this Audi simply because in any relatively fast road going situation the 'focused' car will be at max say four tenths of its capabilities whereas at the same time the Audi will be at ten tenths which will mean the Audi will be compromised in areas such as handling turn in braking tyres gearbox and crucially feedback to the driver etc etc and therefore slower.
Is that so hard to understand?
Driving a TTRS at ten tenths on a road is suicidal, and probably close to impossibleI am fully aware of the limits of not just a GT3 RS but a new GT2 RS....as I own one alongside a new GT3 btw. The GT2 RS is on another level again performance wise as I am sure you are aware.
And you are sorely missing the point.
Which is that any truly rapid focused car Porsche GT Ferrari or otherwise will blitz this Audi simply because in any relatively fast road going situation the 'focused' car will be at max say four tenths of its capabilities whereas at the same time the Audi will be at ten tenths which will mean the Audi will be compromised in areas such as handling turn in braking tyres gearbox and crucially feedback to the driver etc etc and therefore slower.
Is that so hard to understand?
Braking - again no, CCB available on TTRS and you won't ever reach the limit of even steels on road unless again, lethal speeds
Tyres? WTF? Again, you can get the same tyres on the TTRS as a GT3 RS. Invalid point
Turn in - yes fair enough, more confidence inspiring front end
Gearbox - just no, despite VAG bashing the TTRS gearbox will not just drop out the bottom of the car at "ten tenths"
Feedback to the driver.................................................... yes I'm sure your aluminium paddle shifters are like rubbing your hand on the road surface versus plastic paddles
TTRS
Narrower
Smaller
Better visibility
4WD - put the pedal down when you want, little back end action to worry about, excellent corner exiting traction
Easier to drive fast
Less scary
av185 said:
Which is that any truly rapid focused car Porsche GT Ferrari or otherwise will blitz this Audi simply because in any relatively fast road going situation the 'focused' car will be at max say four tenths of its capabilities whereas at the same time the Audi will be at ten tenths which will mean the Audi will be compromised in areas such as handling turn in braking tyres gearbox and crucially feedback to the driver etc etc and therefore slower.
Is that so hard to understand?
Sorry this is just nonsense.Is that so hard to understand?
Outright speed on the road, when we are talking say TTRS vs 911 GT2/3, is almost entirely based upon how crazy and law-breaking a driver wants to get behind the wheel.
A 911 GT2 driver that wants to drive fast but safely, and not to crazy speeds, will get blitzed by an unhinged driver in a TTRS that's prepared to overtake when there is poor visibility and blind bends.
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