RE: Ford Mondeo ST220 | Shed Buying Guide
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ExPat2B said;
“..Not at all cheap to run you are looking at . ”
I’m presuming apart from your strange affliction in preferring the dieseasel BMW over the Mundano, that you are a small green and wizened little chap with large hairy ears? 😜
Joking aside I’d partially agree with you, I had a 220 for a short period but luckily (?) it threw up that many faults that it was returned to the dealer for a full refund and replaced with.... an oil burner BMW 320d
There are two 220s along the road from me, a black and a blue
Both have the customary exhaust exhaust that sound like they ought to be flinging artillery shells at some far flung ISIS stronghold but otherwise, at least cosmetically, they look in nice condition. Bizarrely they both reside within yards of each other on the local council estate.
Always think it’s a shame that Ford built what potentially was a great car but one that had so many issues later in life..
“..Not at all cheap to run you are looking at . ”
I’m presuming apart from your strange affliction in preferring the dieseasel BMW over the Mundano, that you are a small green and wizened little chap with large hairy ears? 😜
Joking aside I’d partially agree with you, I had a 220 for a short period but luckily (?) it threw up that many faults that it was returned to the dealer for a full refund and replaced with.... an oil burner BMW 320d
There are two 220s along the road from me, a black and a blue
Both have the customary exhaust exhaust that sound like they ought to be flinging artillery shells at some far flung ISIS stronghold but otherwise, at least cosmetically, they look in nice condition. Bizarrely they both reside within yards of each other on the local council estate.
Always think it’s a shame that Ford built what potentially was a great car but one that had so many issues later in life..
I have a real soft spot for the ST220, still remember fondly driving one my dad had on a test from a dealer, as a fleet manager he was constantly given various cars for test for a weekend or overnight etc, I recall it was silver with red leather interior and I loved it.
I've never managed to own one myself, searched for an estate a few times without success.
I've owned 2 Mk3 Mondeos, the later being a Ghia X V6 which was a great car, also owned a MK2 ST24 whichy I loved but sadly rust killed it.
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I've never managed to own one myself, searched for an estate a few times without success.
I've owned 2 Mk3 Mondeos, the later being a Ghia X V6 which was a great car, also owned a MK2 ST24 whichy I loved but sadly rust killed it.
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Jamescrs said:
I have a real soft spot for the ST220, still remember fondly driving one my dad had on a test from a dealer, as a fleet manager he was constantly given various cars for test for a weekend or overnight etc, I recall it was silver with red leather interior and I loved it.
I've never managed to own one myself, searched for an estate a few times without success.
I've owned 2 Mk3 Mondeos, the later being a Ghia X V6 which was a great car, also owned a MK2 ST24 whichy I loved but sadly rust killed it.
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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223527571637I've never managed to own one myself, searched for an estate a few times without success.
I've owned 2 Mk3 Mondeos, the later being a Ghia X V6 which was a great car, also owned a MK2 ST24 whichy I loved but sadly rust killed it.
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ST220 estate with red leather
neil-1323bolts said:
I absolutely loved my st , great car and super v6 , yes a bit thirsty but what the heck , smooth power delivery loved to be reved out , unlike a diesel BMW , this car is a decent driving machine . How can you even compare a diesel to this sweet engine , how the world has changed .
many folk here seem to be convinced that a 320d is a better engine than a 3.0 flat 6 also, so yeah the world has changed quite a bit (for the worse)
I always thought the Mk 3 Mondeo had a certain purposeful Germanic look to it. Nice proportions.
Here's some normally aspirated V6 noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu7kgDjJXno
Here's some normally aspirated V6 noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu7kgDjJXno
ericmcn said:
many folk here seem to be convinced that a 320d is a better engine than a 3.0 flat 6 also, so yeah the world has changed quite a bit (for the worse)
Really, many of us think a 220 bhp FWD Mondeo is a bit limp - the same as a 3 litre Subaru with just 241 bhp. You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
ExPat2B said:
The problem with these cars, and whilst this is probably the best example of the V6 front FWD saloon from that era, is the fuel economy and handling just don't justify the performance on tap, and whilst the nature of the performance suits motorways very well, it does not economically cruise at 80+ speeds in the UK, the constant accell and decell caused by our traffic is an mpg nightmare on these engines. Yes, ok its quite good at a constant 60mph, but why buy a bloody great v6 and drive at 60 ?
Its a big V6 that likes to rev, using the performance, 20 mpg is realistic, that will cost you £3500 a year ( 10,000 miles ) in fuel, plus its high tax, penchant for rusting, ford cost cutting on the engine in every department. Not at all cheap to run you are looking at .
If you consider running the car over 3 years compared to a BMW 3 Series 3.0 325d M Sport 4dr : https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
The BMW is 2500 pounds more expensive to buy, The BMW has comparable performance, however it will do 40 mpg where the Ford will do 20mpg, saving you 1250 pounds a year if you are doing 10,000 miles.
So about 2 years before the BMW breaks even and starts saving money compared to the Ford. If you are doing 20,000 miles a year, one year approx.
Now to my senses, the BMW has the Mondeo licked on pretty much every metric other than soundtrack. Its a better car, and if you keep it its a cheaper car as well.
This is why Mondeo man disappeared and was replaced by turbo diesel Audi and BMW man. In their segment, BMW and Audi are completely dominant.
The problem is, one is a revvy, big capacity six cylinder, while the other is a four pot diesel. If you're that bothered about fuel economy, you're unlikely to be looking at these types of car anyway. My ST averaged 26-28mpg, so a bit better than your estimates. It's never going to be great on fuel, as it's from a bit of a bygone era by modern standards.Its a big V6 that likes to rev, using the performance, 20 mpg is realistic, that will cost you £3500 a year ( 10,000 miles ) in fuel, plus its high tax, penchant for rusting, ford cost cutting on the engine in every department. Not at all cheap to run you are looking at .
If you consider running the car over 3 years compared to a BMW 3 Series 3.0 325d M Sport 4dr : https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
The BMW is 2500 pounds more expensive to buy, The BMW has comparable performance, however it will do 40 mpg where the Ford will do 20mpg, saving you 1250 pounds a year if you are doing 10,000 miles.
So about 2 years before the BMW breaks even and starts saving money compared to the Ford. If you are doing 20,000 miles a year, one year approx.
Now to my senses, the BMW has the Mondeo licked on pretty much every metric other than soundtrack. Its a better car, and if you keep it its a cheaper car as well.
This is why Mondeo man disappeared and was replaced by turbo diesel Audi and BMW man. In their segment, BMW and Audi are completely dominant.
Edited by ExPat2B on Sunday 26th May 13:41
I would take one over a 320d all day long.
Augustus Windsock said:
ExPat2B said;
“..Not at all cheap to run you are looking at . ”
I’m presuming apart from your strange affliction in preferring the dieseasel BMW over the Mundano, that you are a small green and wizened little chap with large hairy ears? ??
Joking aside I’d partially agree with you, I had a 220 for a short period but luckily (?) it threw up that many faults that it was returned to the dealer for a full refund and replaced with.... an oil burner BMW 320d
There are two 220s along the road from me, a black and a blue
Both have the customary exhaust exhaust that sound like they ought to be flinging artillery shells at some far flung ISIS stronghold but otherwise, at least cosmetically, they look in nice condition. Bizarrely they both reside within yards of each other on the local council estate.
Always think it’s a shame that Ford built what potentially was a great car but one that had so many issues later in life..
Not sure I would agree with that. I bought mine on c.112k, ran it for a year, put 35k miles on it and, in that time, it only had an ABS sensor outside of normal servicing. I bought it from a friend that had owned it since 60k and it required very little in the time he owned it. Even when it was approaching 150k, I would have happily driven it to the south of France in a heartbeat. “..Not at all cheap to run you are looking at . ”
I’m presuming apart from your strange affliction in preferring the dieseasel BMW over the Mundano, that you are a small green and wizened little chap with large hairy ears? ??
Joking aside I’d partially agree with you, I had a 220 for a short period but luckily (?) it threw up that many faults that it was returned to the dealer for a full refund and replaced with.... an oil burner BMW 320d
There are two 220s along the road from me, a black and a blue
Both have the customary exhaust exhaust that sound like they ought to be flinging artillery shells at some far flung ISIS stronghold but otherwise, at least cosmetically, they look in nice condition. Bizarrely they both reside within yards of each other on the local council estate.
Always think it’s a shame that Ford built what potentially was a great car but one that had so many issues later in life..
Mr Tidy said:
Really, many of us think a 220 bhp FWD Mondeo is a bit limp - the same as a 3 litre Subaru with just 241 bhp.
You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
I think a little context is required. When the ST220 was launched, the E9* 3-Series didn't exist. The E46 330i was 230-odd bhp, so hardly a massive difference compared to the Mondeo. The ST220 disappeared from showrooms in 2007, so the 258bhp 3-Series had only just arrived, so it's not a totally fair comparison. Also, what was the cost difference between an ST220 and an E9* 330i M-Sport?You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
Yes, by modern standards, an ST220 isn't that quick and isn't that economical but, for it's time, it was about on the money. That and there is much more to it than how fast it goes.
Jon_S_Rally said:
ExPat2B said:
The problem with these cars, and whilst this is probably the best example of the V6 front FWD saloon from that era, is the fuel economy and handling just don't justify the performance on tap, and whilst the nature of the performance suits motorways very well, it does not economically cruise at 80+ speeds in the UK, the constant accell and decell caused by our traffic is an mpg nightmare on these engines. Yes, ok its quite good at a constant 60mph, but why buy a bloody great v6 and drive at 60 ?
Its a big V6 that likes to rev, using the performance, 20 mpg is realistic, that will cost you £3500 a year ( 10,000 miles ) in fuel, plus its high tax, penchant for rusting, ford cost cutting on the engine in every department. Not at all cheap to run you are looking at .
If you consider running the car over 3 years compared to a BMW 3 Series 3.0 325d M Sport 4dr : https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
The BMW is 2500 pounds more expensive to buy, The BMW has comparable performance, however it will do 40 mpg where the Ford will do 20mpg, saving you 1250 pounds a year if you are doing 10,000 miles.
So about 2 years before the BMW breaks even and starts saving money compared to the Ford. If you are doing 20,000 miles a year, one year approx.
Now to my senses, the BMW has the Mondeo licked on pretty much every metric other than soundtrack. Its a better car, and if you keep it its a cheaper car as well.
This is why Mondeo man disappeared and was replaced by turbo diesel Audi and BMW man. In their segment, BMW and Audi are completely dominant.
The problem is, one is a revvy, big capacity six cylinder, while the other is a four pot diesel. If you're that bothered about fuel economy, you're unlikely to be looking at these types of car anyway. My ST averaged 26-28mpg, so a bit better than your estimates. It's never going to be great on fuel, as it's from a bit of a bygone era by modern standards.Its a big V6 that likes to rev, using the performance, 20 mpg is realistic, that will cost you £3500 a year ( 10,000 miles ) in fuel, plus its high tax, penchant for rusting, ford cost cutting on the engine in every department. Not at all cheap to run you are looking at .
If you consider running the car over 3 years compared to a BMW 3 Series 3.0 325d M Sport 4dr : https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
The BMW is 2500 pounds more expensive to buy, The BMW has comparable performance, however it will do 40 mpg where the Ford will do 20mpg, saving you 1250 pounds a year if you are doing 10,000 miles.
So about 2 years before the BMW breaks even and starts saving money compared to the Ford. If you are doing 20,000 miles a year, one year approx.
Now to my senses, the BMW has the Mondeo licked on pretty much every metric other than soundtrack. Its a better car, and if you keep it its a cheaper car as well.
This is why Mondeo man disappeared and was replaced by turbo diesel Audi and BMW man. In their segment, BMW and Audi are completely dominant.
I would take one over a 320d all day long.
Mr Tidy said:
Really, many of us think a 220 bhp FWD Mondeo is a bit limp - the same as a 3 litre Subaru with just 241 bhp.
You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
Bit harsh. I would imagine a manual Spec B would keep either of those honest. Certainly not much in it going by the figures.You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
I loved my ST220. Not the last word in speed, but more than quick enough to enjoy. Loads of room, comfortable and easy to drive. Shame I took a job that involved 100 miles a day round trip and I got fed up of visiting the petrol station every Wednesday and Saturday!! Even at 31mpg 500 miles a week is a lot of fuel!
Silver with the boudoir red leather, factory xenons, satnav, sunroof.... still miss it now.
Silver with the boudoir red leather, factory xenons, satnav, sunroof.... still miss it now.
V6 Mondeos are good cars and all Mk3s handle very well if in good nick, ST or otherwise.
In fact the cooking 2.5 V6s look better value and give most of what an ST will give you - often without having been thrashed to within an inch of their life.
If I had another I'd go for cloth - I found the leather seats unyielding and sit you up too high.
In fact the cooking 2.5 V6s look better value and give most of what an ST will give you - often without having been thrashed to within an inch of their life.
If I had another I'd go for cloth - I found the leather seats unyielding and sit you up too high.
Mr Tidy said:
Really, many of us think a 220 bhp FWD Mondeo is a bit limp - the same as a 3 litre Subaru with just 241 bhp.
You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
you need to get your head out of whatever bucket its stuck in, your mighty BMW 330 is no faster than my Subaru, if you think the BMW is going to blow away the Subaru - well good luck. You can also get a BMW 330 for probably less than a 3.0 Spec B manual also, try not to cry- the Subaru will have more toys also than the bog standard BMW unless some sucker got ripped off by BMWYou could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
Like I said, we have tracks and private places to try this out and make you more the fool you already are - we can get it stickied also so you will forever be remembered as another of the blinkered rose tinted fanboys.
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