RE: Ferrari SF90 Stradale | Official reveal!

[Maldini35]

I love the car but that video is one giant headache

[Mackofthejungle]

I quite like it. I think it's the "best" looking fast Ferrari for a while, but like the 458 and 488 it's a little bland. A little paint by numbers. Say what you like about the hideous Senna and the overstyled P1; they look very different to everything else...

I know this will be ten times more dramatic than a Huracan, but that's the shape isn't it? Call me old fashioned but I still prefer the beautiful and flawed look... The Alfa 8C, the Pagani's.. There's something slightly too serious about modern fast cars, and serious is all a bit boring.

[MDL111]

Looking forward to getting the battery tech in the Lusso successor, so I can still drive into a city center whith a V12 car once they tighten up the rules.
I like this car, esp the front, but since they went Turbo on the 8-cylinder engines I just can’t get as excited about the anymore. Also I can’t afford it - so not that relevant anyway

[ChocolateFrog]

If you've got any of the NA Berlinetta's right now I wouldn't be selling them anytime soon.

The Speciale will be a £1m+ car in the not too distant future. When everything is 500hp+ sound becomes a huge draw.

[Gandahar]

aazer89 said:

Gandahar said:

It will be interesting to see how much this will be priced at and what the numbers produced are.

It seems to not be continuing the 288, F40, F50, Enzo and Laferrari but a lot higher than the V12 and V8 current ranges. Or is this replacing the V12 range? The Superfast is already 800bhp so I guess it could.

Any thoughts? I would have hoped the V12 line would continue, even in these days.

Also, this new engine at 4.0 litres without the hybridisation seems a shoe in for the F8 Tributo special edition to follow on from Speciale and Pista.

I dont think they included it in this post but there is a direct LaFerrari replacement coming in 2022 - that almost certainly will be V12.
This car is to be sat at the top of the current range and is not a limited run. The 812 sits below this as it has less power, the 812 has its own line which will run seperate and there is indeed a space for the 'special' F8 that will come along at some point. So the SF90 sits in its own space.

Hope that makes sense ...

Thanks for that info, that does make sense.

The European drive to e cars is muddling up Ferrari's standard segments a little bit, the F8 came out quite fast after the 488 as they reset to the next one being hybrid. Sort of like clearing the decks.

[Water Fairy]

There's something unresolved about the styling for me but I can't put my finger on it.

Impressive tech but too complicated for me which I find a turn off.

Alas, it's all academic given the price.

[dobly]

So, it's the same hybrid system as the current Honda NSX, but with bigger numbers.

[alex_123_fra]

Davislove said:

alex_123_fra said:

I can forgive the looks - not the classiest Ferrari ever made, but I can't forgive the terrible sound execution of this V8. Have a look at the Top Gear video. I've heard 4-pots sound better than this. WTF are you doing Ferrari. For some of us, 50% of the experience is the induction/engine/exhaust noise.

I can understand your points, but here’s the rub, the game for great sounding sports cars is over. Trying to make these new generation turbo motors sound good is pointless and just smacks of fakery. My view is we should just forget it and muffle the sound and accept a new reality. The thrill to be found in these cars is the incredible leap in performance and not how they sound.

I understand it is harder to make turboed engines sound "good" - the latter being quite subjective. From what I've heard so far though, there seems to be no effort at all on Ferrari's part on the SF90. Most of the other major supercar manufacturers have dedicated sound tuning teams developing this aspect as part of pre-production without resorting to fake noise - e.g. Lambo, Aston, Porsche, McLaren, hell - even Lexus, Fiat and Alfa do it. Totally unacceptable for Ferrari to skip this in a car that retains a combustion engine.

The senses that performance stimulates will simply not be enough for many. You can achieve performance in many ways without resorting to owning a Ferrari and many lesser manufacturers do that part just as well if not better. Ferrari needs to make its cars special in every dimension possible.

[glasso]

I think that it looks great.

the Laferrari was not a good-looking car..

5 years later and a faster car for less than 1/2 the price of that really puts the cat amongst the pigeons in terms of McClaren imo.

[Francis85]

A Ferrari that looks nice finally. Bland or elegant? Not sure, but looks clean.

I would like to see a simpler version of this (non-hybrid na v8 or v12).

[wst]

Greg the Fish said:

GroundEffect said:

The F40?

F40 (and 288 mentioned further down) were never the 'flagship' cars.

Always been V or Flat 12

I can understand the Testarossa being the flagship over the 288, but also over the F40?

[AussieFozzy]

wab172uk said:

Thought it for a while now, but car's are just getting too powerful. Why would you want a 1000 bhp Ferrari?

This car will purely be a point and squirt car, as trying to apply 1000 bhp in the corners will only be viable on a track. You'll have more fun in a 458 with half the power.

Not many people know this but believe it or not you can just partially depress the accelerator pedal in nearly all modern cars.
This means the engine will only produce a small amount of its usual power output (generally proportional to the amount of accelerator travel).

[Nerdherder]

dobly said:

So, it's the same hybrid system as the current Honda NSX, but with bigger numbers.

In which sense? That is a similar drivetrain architecture? Or do you have information about both Honda and Ferrari using the same suppliers for main electrification elements like motors and controllers?

If it’s about similar architecture think about how the comment applies to naturally aspirated engines..

P.s. Just watched the video for the first time.. ‘Beyond Imagination’, I’ll stay in the imagination phase for now ok thnx.

[MDL111]

wst said:

Greg the Fish said:

GroundEffect said:

The F40?

F40 (and 288 mentioned further down) were never the 'flagship' cars.

Always been V or Flat 12

I can understand the Testarossa being the flagship over the 288, but also over the F40?

I doubt it tbh, I believe Ferrari themselves see the F40 as the pinnacle at the time. This is the first time I heard/read that the F40 is not top of the line / was somehow seen beneath the Testa at the time.

[Greg the Fish]

MDL111 said:

I doubt it tbh, I believe Ferrari themselves see the F40 as the pinnacle at the time. This is the first time I heard/read that the F40 is not top of the line / was somehow seen beneath the Testa at the time.

Whilst unquestionably a more 'raw' car the F40 was intended as a limited run 'birthday celebration' and an exercise in 'look at what we can do' (like the Veyron really). As such it was never destined to be a production car.

The fact that they went on to make nearly 1000 more units than planned is testament to its engineering prowess and sheer awesomeness but becaus it was a limited run it was never the flagship.

[sparta6]

ChocolateFrog said:

If you've got any of the NA Berlinetta's right now I wouldn't be selling them anytime soon.

The Speciale will be a £1m+ car in the not too distant future. When everything is 500hp+ sound becomes a huge draw.

+1
An authentic soundtrack is 50% of the game

[MDL111]

Greg the Fish said:

MDL111 said:

I doubt it tbh, I believe Ferrari themselves see the F40 as the pinnacle at the time. This is the first time I heard/read that the F40 is not top of the line / was somehow seen beneath the Testa at the time.

Whilst unquestionably a more 'raw' car the F40 was intended as a limited run 'birthday celebration' and an exercise in 'look at what we can do' (like the Veyron really). As such it was never destined to be a production car.

The fact that they went on to make nearly 1000 more units than planned is testament to its engineering prowess and sheer awesomeness but becaus it was a limited run it was never the flagship.

Ok, but are the other birthday celebration models therefore also not the flagship cars due to limited run etc (F50, Enzo, LaF). I think then I am in agreement with your Definition - therefore it would be TR/512TR, then 550/575, followed by 599, F12, and up until now 812 als flagship cars - also makes sense to me

[WCZ]

glasso said:

I think that it looks great.

the Laferrari was not a good-looking car..

5 years later and a faster car for less than 1/2 the price of that really puts the cat amongst the pigeons in terms of McClaren imo.

The La isn't pretty but this is just so fussy imo, hate the design

[Lee-vngf2]

I did a little sex wee....THAT is Gorgeous!!!!!

[Tony Starks]

Ferrari really need to find a better wheel designer. Pretty much 360 onwards have wheels straight from a halfords catalogue.