RE: Gordon Murray Automotive previews F1 successor

[Macboy]

shirt said:

What happened to the t43??

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/a26698796/g...

Someone who could use a computer took a look at the finance numbers that the engineers had jotted down, had a good laugh and then pointed out that each car would cost 10 times the selling price to build. Like so many projects of this type they all suffer price creep or disappear completely or both.

[GetCarter]

anonymous said:

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[WCZ]

bold claims etc, i'm also skeptical tbh

[Equus]

GetCarter said:

The iStream tech is being used by several manufacturers...

Genuinely out of interest, who?

I know that several manufacturers are investigating the process, but are any actually using it to manufacture, yet?

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 5th June 12:56

[GetCarter]

Equus said:

GetCarter said:

The iStream tech is being used by several manufacturers...

Genuinely out of interest, who?

I know that several manufacturers are investigating the process, but are any actually using it to manufacture, yet?

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 5th June 12:56

Yamaha in production, TVR (if Les Edgar ever pulls his finger out), a.n.other I can't mention.

Watch this space.

[HRCM]

Equus said:

GetCarter said:

The iStream tech is being used by several manufacturers...

Genuinely out of interest, who?

I know that several manufacturers are investigating the process, but are any actually using it to manufacture, yet?

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 5th June 12:56

I'm interested to know too. Please share what you can

[Gandahar]

anonymous said:

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How many miles will this engine do?

How many car engines that do 9000 do 200,000 miles?

I'd prefer a 4500rpm engine that does 800 000 miles.

[MMeng]

I will be the unpopular opinion here and say that this car the specs of this hypercar are a disappointment.

Outside of the V12 12000 rpm grabbing title, the car offers nothing spectacular or revolutionary in terms of technology. Even the fan technology (a link to Murray's successful engineering days) is a trick that "normal" supercars have been using for many years.

Murrey himself is a fan of light and moderately powered cars (Lotus Elan) and have discussed many times in the past about designing one. I would guess that this project is exclusively pushed by investors to fill the small niche market of "analogue" hypercars that has been glorified by the original F1 and recently been left blank with the introduction of hybrid hypercars.

[Andy83n]

If Gordon Murray was PM, income tax would be 4% and there'd be around 500 civli servants throughout the entire UK.

[Equus]

GetCarter said:

Yamaha in production, TVR (if Les Edgar ever pulls his finger out), a.n.other I can't mention.

Watch this space.

Is the Yamaha actually in production? I've seen no announcements since the Sportsride concept was shown in 2017. Genuinely interested in that one, since as a serial Elise owner, it's the sort of car I could very well purchase.

With due respect, if you are telling us that either the Yamaha or the a.a.other is actually in production, I'm astonished that nothing has leaked to the press, yet - operational car factories tend to be in the public domain, not secret squirrel.

[HRCM]

GetCarter said:

Yamaha in production, TVR (if Les Edgar ever pulls his finger out), a.n.other I can't mention.

Watch this space.

Cheers, you answered my question. I got excited about the Yamaha... and then i found it via google.

It's more of a shoe than a car.

[Gandahar]

MMeng said:

I will be the unpopular opinion here and say that this car the specs of this hypercar are a disappointment.

Outside of the V12 12000 rpm grabbing title, the car offers nothing spectacular or revolutionary in terms of technology. Even the fan technology (a link to Murray's successful engineering days) is a trick that "normal" supercars have been using for many years.

Murrey himself is a fan of light and moderately powered cars (Lotus Elan) and have discussed many times in the past about designing one. I would guess that this project is exclusively pushed by investors to fill the small niche market of "analogue" hypercars that has been glorified by the original F1 and recently been left blank with the introduction of hybrid hypercars.

It's not a hypercar, read the quote in the story.

"driver-focused supercar"

[sgtBerbatov]

cookie1600 said:

NicoG said:

What, exactly, dictates SIX THOUSAND POUNDS for an Oil change on an Mac F1?

Because McLaren F1

I guess you could get it done at Halfords for £40, or do it yourself jacked up by the side of the road......

Think with the servicing of a McLaren F1 it's quite involved. Sure you have the fluids etc but you also need to speak to the computer. This is the problem as the hardware designed to work with the F1 is now 25 years old (at least) and obsolete. The further issue is that the laptops concerned (Compaq 286-SLT's I think) are rarer than rocking horse poo. They've had to do a lot of work to bridge that gap in order to keep servicing the vehicles, if they didn't the cars would simply die.

Plus I think they're kept with McLaren for over a week or two while they do all this work.

[Nerdherder]

GetCarter said:

Nerdherder said:

That picture of Murray holding a pen is slightly unnecessary

Except of course, he designs everything with a pen/pencil. He has NO idea how to use a computer!

Unnecessary was meant in another way.

[Equus]

sgtBerbatov said:

Think with the servicing of a McLaren F1 it's quite involved. Sure you have the fluids etc but you also need to speak to the computer.

Surely the answer there is for a few F1 owners to club together and commission updated ECU's? There's nothing terribly sophisticated for them to manage with the cars electrical systems, so it wouldn't be particularly difficult or expensive?

[Thorburn]

anonymous said:

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I have an old (circa 1999) Sony Vaio I keep around for using with my Cobra alarm programming kit.

I'm sure I COULD run it off one of my new laptops, but you'd end up running a WIN16 application through a virtual machine and Windows 95, then a USB to COM adapter and whilst it'll PROBABLY be fine I don't want to risk bricking the alarm and immobiliser system, so whilst I have the genuine hardware available I'm going to use that.

[phil4]

anonymous said:

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I strongly doubt it actually needs a very specific Compaq 286 laptop to run. I'd expect given a little time and tinkering it'd run on similar PC hardware of a similar vintage, of which there's a lot more around.

I've not actual experience of the actual laptop/software - so could be proved very wrong. But in general stuff of that era is fine to run, you just need to get used to the old hardware, software and lack of things you take for granted now (like USB, wifi, built in network ports etc).

[Gandahar]

anonymous said:

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The only characterisation I did was pointing out you don't know how many miles this engine will do, so your "issue" with this engine has no basis currently.

The figures you quoted, 9000rpm and doing 200 000 miles, seem just picked out of thin air with very little thought ; very, very few car 9000rpm engines are driven for 200 000 miles so your "requirement" is pointless.

As I mentioned, if you want a car that is durable and can be driven a lot then there are engines that can do 800 000 miles at 4500rpm, so you need one of those.

[WCZ]

sgtBerbatov said:

Think with the servicing of a McLaren F1 it's quite involved. Sure you have the fluids etc but you also need to speak to the computer. This is the problem as the hardware designed to work with the F1 is now 25 years old (at least) and obsolete. The further issue is that the laptops concerned (Compaq 286-SLT's I think) are rarer than rocking horse poo. They've had to do a lot of work to bridge that gap in order to keep servicing the vehicles, if they didn't the cars would simply die.

Plus I think they're kept with McLaren for over a week or two while they do all this work.

they're not that rare and can be picked up for a couple of hundred quid

edit - if it's the Compaq LTE 5280 specifically not a 286 SLT then yes they are super rare

Edited by WCZ on Wednesday 5th June 13:57

[Robmarriott]

phil4 said:

anonymous said:

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I strongly doubt it actually needs a very specific Compaq 286 laptop to run. I'd expect given a little time and tinkering it'd run on similar PC hardware of a similar vintage, of which there's a lot more around.

I've not actual experience of the actual laptop/software - so could be proved very wrong. But in general stuff of that era is fine to run, you just need to get used to the old hardware, software and lack of things you take for granted now (like USB, wifi, built in network ports etc).

It’s more likely to be port related than other hardware. I know we had no end of trouble getting modern laptops with USB to communicate with older ECUs, despite trying different cables, they’d be absolutely fine with a proper serial port.

More surprising is that McLaren haven’t just built something from scratch. I guess if they’ve still got the old Compaq ones, it’s not yet an issue and if/when they stop working completely, they’ll just start from scratch with a box of components and a case.