RE: Shed of the Week | Peugeot 205 CJ
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Can't believe people are cooing over this crap - I bet the same people would slate Peugeot if they said they they were making a new 208 Cabrio. I wonder if these mad people will we be cooing over 206cc's in ten years time? 
I'd rather a MK1 Ford KA than that crap - I guess I'm trying to say that it isn't for me
I'd rather a MK1 Ford KA than that crap - I guess I'm trying to say that it isn't for me
Tuvra said:
Can't believe people are cooing over this crap - I bet the same people would slate Peugeot if they said they they were making a new 208 Cabrio. I wonder if these mad people will we be cooing over 206cc's in ten years time?
I'd rather a MK1 Ford KA than that crap - I guess I'm trying to say that it isn't for me
Spot on...any Peugeot of this era especially the 205 were and still are dog turd like. This particular sI'd rather a MK1 Ford KA than that crap - I guess I'm trying to say that it isn't for me
t heap has got to be one of the least desirable French cars ever.. What a great little thing for cheap summer fan.
Had three CTIs back in the day, two of them from new, but the 1.6 was always 115bhp (not 105 as stated). Last CTis were 1.9 but with less power/more torque than the 1.6 - same engine as Gentry. Power steering was a nice option on the late ones but the power hood added complication for the sake of it. And structural integrity was as good as anything that started life designed as a tin-top. Softer suspension than GTI made sure it didn't rattle too much!
If you don't love these cars you've clearly never ever driven one... The 205 was Peugeot at its best and Pininfarina did a superb job with the cabrio, just as they had with the 403, 404, 204, 304, 504.
Had three CTIs back in the day, two of them from new, but the 1.6 was always 115bhp (not 105 as stated). Last CTis were 1.9 but with less power/more torque than the 1.6 - same engine as Gentry. Power steering was a nice option on the late ones but the power hood added complication for the sake of it. And structural integrity was as good as anything that started life designed as a tin-top. Softer suspension than GTI made sure it didn't rattle too much!
If you don't love these cars you've clearly never ever driven one... The 205 was Peugeot at its best and Pininfarina did a superb job with the cabrio, just as they had with the 403, 404, 204, 304, 504.
A1VDY said:
Spot on...any Peugeot of this era especially the 205 were and still are dog turd like.
The 205, 309 and 405 were notoriously bad cars. Often slated for their lacklustre styling, poor driving experience and lack of trim levels. The Nova, Astra and Cavalier were better in every way. Don't get me started on the GTI/MI16's. Sure they had an alright bodykit on them, but they couldn't hold a candle to the likes of the XR2, MG Metro, Cavalier SRI, Escort XR3i and the infamously smooth and dynamic XR2i. Build quality was awful too. I see loads of 80's Peugeots that only make it to around 250k before they need work. Richard Attwood barely got 415k out of his original clutch. A Sierra or Montego clutch would easily make it to 800k, although that's a guess because I've never seen a Sierra or Montego over about 120k, probably because they're cherished too much. aaron_2000 said:
A1VDY said:
Spot on...any Peugeot of this era especially the 205 were and still are dog turd like.
The 205, 309 and 405 were notoriously bad cars. Often slated for their lacklustre styling, poor driving experience and lack of trim levels. The Nova, Astra and Cavalier were better in every way. Don't get me started on the GTI/MI16's. Sure they had an alright bodykit on them, but they couldn't hold a candle to the likes of the XR2, MG Metro, Cavalier SRI, Escort XR3i and the infamously smooth and dynamic XR2i. Build quality was awful too. I see loads of 80's Peugeots that only make it to around 250k before they need work. Richard Attwood barely got 415k out of his original clutch. A Sierra or Montego clutch would easily make it to 800k, although that's a guess because I've never seen a Sierra or Montego over about 120k, probably because they're cherished too much. I'm not a big fan of the chop top 205 but, as I've said in other threads, I really liked the 205 1.6 & 1.9 I drove back in the day and also the 405 which was a great drive.
Read any road test of the era and the 205 and 405 won every time, as did the 309 in GTI form.
As for Pininfarina, the stylist of every one of the most beautiful cars ever made (most Ferraris until the recent ugly stuff)...
Most mass-produced rivals were junk, as shown by classic values today,
As for Pininfarina, the stylist of every one of the most beautiful cars ever made (most Ferraris until the recent ugly stuff)...
Most mass-produced rivals were junk, as shown by classic values today,
Not getting the hate for this one. As a former 205 GTi owner, the Peugeot 205 has to be one of the best small hatches ever made. Willing engines, good fuel economy, a nice ride and handling compromise, pretty Pininfarina styling, excellent visibility and unlike the Citroen AX and later 106/Saxo, not a stupidly cramped and offset pedal box, so actually very comfortable. Despite being a small car, I always found it suprisingly "Tardis-like" too. It could accommodate 4 adults comfortably and had a reasonable-sized boot too. It was the mk7/8 Fiesta of its day but I still find the Fiesta surprisingly cramped.
Granted, 80s French build quality wasn't the best but they were very rust-resistant, so there are still a surprising amount around compared to other vehicles of that era and they were mechanically very strong. Mine had done 170,000 hard-driven miles and was still going strong when I wrote it off!
Unlike today, hatchback/saloon-based convertibles were pretty cool in the 80s (bear in mind that the MX5 hadn't been invented yet) and offered fairly affordable and yet practical fun. I went for the GTi hardtop because it was a bit stiffer, cheaper to buy and quicker but I always though the convertibles were one of the nicer-looking 80s convertibles and would still be fun to trundle around in today. The lady who gave me a lift to my work experience in the mid-90s had a CJ in the colour scheme below. It was a pretty little thing and felt, perky enough (it was a pretty light car after all and 205s had pretty short gearing) and that little 205 was also probably my first "topless" experience and I've liked convertibles since! Good SOTW and something a little bit different to the usual German barges.
Granted, 80s French build quality wasn't the best but they were very rust-resistant, so there are still a surprising amount around compared to other vehicles of that era and they were mechanically very strong. Mine had done 170,000 hard-driven miles and was still going strong when I wrote it off!
Unlike today, hatchback/saloon-based convertibles were pretty cool in the 80s (bear in mind that the MX5 hadn't been invented yet) and offered fairly affordable and yet practical fun. I went for the GTi hardtop because it was a bit stiffer, cheaper to buy and quicker but I always though the convertibles were one of the nicer-looking 80s convertibles and would still be fun to trundle around in today. The lady who gave me a lift to my work experience in the mid-90s had a CJ in the colour scheme below. It was a pretty little thing and felt, perky enough (it was a pretty light car after all and 205s had pretty short gearing) and that little 205 was also probably my first "topless" experience and I've liked convertibles since! Good SOTW and something a little bit different to the usual German barges.
aaron_2000 said:
A1VDY said:
Spot on...any Peugeot of this era especially the 205 were and still are dog turd like.
The 205, 309 and 405 were notoriously bad cars. Often slated for their lacklustre styling, poor driving experience and lack of trim levels. The Nova, Astra and Cavalier were better in every way. Don't get me started on the GTI/MI16's. Sure they had an alright bodykit on them, but they couldn't hold a candle to the likes of the XR2, MG Metro, Cavalier SRI, Escort XR3i and the infamously smooth and dynamic XR2i. Build quality was awful too. I see loads of 80's Peugeots that only make it to around 250k before they need work. Richard Attwood barely got 415k out of his original clutch. A Sierra or Montego clutch would easily make it to 800k, although that's a guess because I've never seen a Sierra or Montego over about 120k, probably because they're cherished too much. mrmotorhome said:
What a great little thing for cheap summer fan.
Had three CTIs back in the day, two of them from new, but the 1.6 was always 115bhp (not 105 as stated). Last CTis were 1.9 but with less power/more torque than the 1.6 - same engine as Gentry. Power steering was a nice option on the late ones but the power hood added complication for the sake of it. And structural integrity was as good as anything that started life designed as a tin-top. Softer suspension than GTI made sure it didn't rattle too much!
If you don't love these cars you've clearly never ever driven one... The 205 was Peugeot at its best and Pininfarina did a superb job with the cabrio, just as they had with the 403, 404, 204, 304, 504.
Early 1.6 GTis were in fact 105bhp, and 115bhp after 1988/9 I believeHad three CTIs back in the day, two of them from new, but the 1.6 was always 115bhp (not 105 as stated). Last CTis were 1.9 but with less power/more torque than the 1.6 - same engine as Gentry. Power steering was a nice option on the late ones but the power hood added complication for the sake of it. And structural integrity was as good as anything that started life designed as a tin-top. Softer suspension than GTI made sure it didn't rattle too much!
If you don't love these cars you've clearly never ever driven one... The 205 was Peugeot at its best and Pininfarina did a superb job with the cabrio, just as they had with the 403, 404, 204, 304, 504.
torqueischeap said:
mrmotorhome said:
What a great little thing for cheap summer fan.
Had three CTIs back in the day, two of them from new, but the 1.6 was always 115bhp (not 105 as stated). Last CTis were 1.9 but with less power/more torque than the 1.6 - same engine as Gentry. Power steering was a nice option on the late ones but the power hood added complication for the sake of it. And structural integrity was as good as anything that started life designed as a tin-top. Softer suspension than GTI made sure it didn't rattle too much!
If you don't love these cars you've clearly never ever driven one... The 205 was Peugeot at its best and Pininfarina did a superb job with the cabrio, just as they had with the 403, 404, 204, 304, 504.
Early 1.6 GTis were in fact 105bhp, and 115bhp after 1988/9 I believeHad three CTIs back in the day, two of them from new, but the 1.6 was always 115bhp (not 105 as stated). Last CTis were 1.9 but with less power/more torque than the 1.6 - same engine as Gentry. Power steering was a nice option on the late ones but the power hood added complication for the sake of it. And structural integrity was as good as anything that started life designed as a tin-top. Softer suspension than GTI made sure it didn't rattle too much!
If you don't love these cars you've clearly never ever driven one... The 205 was Peugeot at its best and Pininfarina did a superb job with the cabrio, just as they had with the 403, 404, 204, 304, 504.
I had a CTi before I had a GTi.
CTi was about 100kg heavier than the GTi and though I wouldn't say it was slow, it was compromised by the extra weight. I don't know what a lower powered engine would be like in a cabrio 205, but getting over the hill on a motorway would take some extra welly. The maintenance for the roof was a pain in the butt.
That said, for normal town driving the CTi (roof down) was as fun as the GTi.
CTi was about 100kg heavier than the GTi and though I wouldn't say it was slow, it was compromised by the extra weight. I don't know what a lower powered engine would be like in a cabrio 205, but getting over the hill on a motorway would take some extra welly. The maintenance for the roof was a pain in the butt.
That said, for normal town driving the CTi (roof down) was as fun as the GTi.
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