RE: New AMG 2.0-litre is "most powerful ever
Discussion
> For starters the unit has been rotated by 180-degrees, allowing the turbocharger and exhaust manifold to be positioned at the rear, with the intake at the front.
So the previous orientation of the engine in the car was just stupid?
Though I suppose if you are turbocharging, the inlet air still has to go near the exhaust so this probably doesn't make as much difference as it might in a non-turbo car.
So the previous orientation of the engine in the car was just stupid?
Though I suppose if you are turbocharging, the inlet air still has to go near the exhaust so this probably doesn't make as much difference as it might in a non-turbo car.
Darren93 said:
That'll be pricey...
looking at the GLC prices i would say 65k for an S with options The new A45 should be very nice matched with the changes to the AWD system that make the car rear biased and want to drift
hope the GLA45 is launched soon after, should be a riot with this revised tech
It is impressive how the boundries are being moved constantly but for a little perspective, there have been 1.0 litre bikes producing around 200bhp without a turbo for some time now. Sure, they're not likely to do 100k on the daily grind but they are reliable.
Personally I'd prefer a 6 or 8 sound track to accompany my 421bhp.
Personally I'd prefer a 6 or 8 sound track to accompany my 421bhp.
The previous 2.0 turbo Mercs seem to be doing quite well, been around what, seven or so years and not heard of any catastrophic failures.
They are doing, with I suspect a lot more diligence and engineering input, what tuners have been upto for years, the Cosworth YB has been around 30 odd years and nobody bats an eyelid at 400, 500, 600 or more bhp examples.Mainly as the engine was designed, from the outset for competition use.
And Mercedes produce a factory 421 bhp 2 litre, I know people get sceptical but I think it will be rock solid, I know a lot cant get their head round powerful 1 litre engines because 1 litre = small and weedy, lowest of the low but old expectations are just that, no longer apply with modern control systems, materials, techniques and all that design experience.
Another hot hatch with more power than a Lotus Carlton !
They are doing, with I suspect a lot more diligence and engineering input, what tuners have been upto for years, the Cosworth YB has been around 30 odd years and nobody bats an eyelid at 400, 500, 600 or more bhp examples.Mainly as the engine was designed, from the outset for competition use.
And Mercedes produce a factory 421 bhp 2 litre, I know people get sceptical but I think it will be rock solid, I know a lot cant get their head round powerful 1 litre engines because 1 litre = small and weedy, lowest of the low but old expectations are just that, no longer apply with modern control systems, materials, techniques and all that design experience.
Another hot hatch with more power than a Lotus Carlton !
I wouldn’t mind betting that this will be a lot more drive-able than the old Mitsubishi FQ that some are inevitably comparing it to, and a lot more refined and docile when you want it to be. Peak numbers are only half the story when it comes to great engines. This also, hopefully, won’t implode if you don’t change the oil every twenty minutes 
In a transverse configuration I’d personally much prefer a thumping 5-pot, but nevertheless this motor seems like an impressive achievement. Certainly it remains to be seen, but only a fool would bet against it.
In a transverse configuration I’d personally much prefer a thumping 5-pot, but nevertheless this motor seems like an impressive achievement. Certainly it remains to be seen, but only a fool would bet against it.
thelostboy said:
Very impressive stuff!
People have cited the Mitsubishi before, but remember the Jap saloons - as impressive as they were - required servicing every 6,000 miles and had terrible fuel economy.
The 440 was basically an aftermarket tuner car (only 40 made) with a warranty.
I think when you also consider the emissions side of things, Mercedes have done a pretty amazing job, and it's good to see using clever technology being used for us petrolheads!
If I had a 400+bhp 4-pot turbo and was driving it as intended, I'd also be "servicing" it (oil and filter change) every 6k too.People have cited the Mitsubishi before, but remember the Jap saloons - as impressive as they were - required servicing every 6,000 miles and had terrible fuel economy.
The 440 was basically an aftermarket tuner car (only 40 made) with a warranty.
I think when you also consider the emissions side of things, Mercedes have done a pretty amazing job, and it's good to see using clever technology being used for us petrolheads!
Jack4688 said:
Remember in 1998 when we were amazed at the 400ish horsepower from the E39 BMW M5’s 4.9 V8?
Not really. In 1998 you had 4 pots pushing out 300BHP from factory in Japanese rally reps. 22B was 320ish BHP and even the regular STi's and Evo's were 300BHP (276BHP according to the gentlemans agreement 
)TEKNOPUG said:
thelostboy said:
Very impressive stuff!
People have cited the Mitsubishi before, but remember the Jap saloons - as impressive as they were - required servicing every 6,000 miles and had terrible fuel economy.
The 440 was basically an aftermarket tuner car (only 40 made) with a warranty.
I think when you also consider the emissions side of things, Mercedes have done a pretty amazing job, and it's good to see using clever technology being used for us petrolheads!
If I had a 400+bhp 4-pot turbo and was driving it as intended, I'd also be "servicing" it (oil and filter change) every 6k too.People have cited the Mitsubishi before, but remember the Jap saloons - as impressive as they were - required servicing every 6,000 miles and had terrible fuel economy.
The 440 was basically an aftermarket tuner car (only 40 made) with a warranty.
I think when you also consider the emissions side of things, Mercedes have done a pretty amazing job, and it's good to see using clever technology being used for us petrolheads!
So a near 500bhp hatch once a stage 1 map is on it.. Madness for a Hot Hatch (remember F40's were only 450bhp)
Show how the game moves on, with the likes of NVM doing stage 3 maps on Golf R's doing 470bhp with just a Turbo Swap - no internal changes.
IC Power is Cheap!, get it before its gone
Show how the game moves on, with the likes of NVM doing stage 3 maps on Golf R's doing 470bhp with just a Turbo Swap - no internal changes.
IC Power is Cheap!, get it before its gone
Jack4688 said:
Remember in 1998 when we were amazed at the 400ish horsepower from the E39 BMW M5’s 4.9 V8?
Not really, it’s a good engine but 81bhp/litre was hardly impressive for an NA performance car in the late 90s. You only have to take a look at BMW’s own back catalogue to find more impressive engines and that’s before you get onto the likes of Honda etc.Water Fairy said:
RacerMike said:
Why? The service intervals on this are likely to be 12 months or 12,000 miles. You’d be literally throwing money down the drain if you serviced every 6k...
Lots of people do regular early oil changes in the interests of longevity.DIY say £60
Water Fairy said:
RacerMike said:
Why? The service intervals on this are likely to be 12 months or 12,000 miles. You’d be literally throwing money down the drain if you serviced every 6k...
Lots of people do regular early oil changes in the interests of longevity.DIY say £60
Honestly, you could drive the thing like you stole it all year. The service schedule is a tested attribute so servicing at 6k miles will do very little to extend the life of the car and certainly not in the context of the first two owners. All you’d potentially do is maybe extend the life of the car to 175,000 from 150,000 miles say. But that’s assuming that something else doesn’t go wrong in this time which has absolutely nothing to do with oil quality.
Modern oils have as much to do with service intervals as anything else. But the abuse that the engines go through as part of their durability testing will honestly be nothing compared with what you do unless you plan on renting it out to people on the Nürburgring all year who are all capable of getting within 90% of the car’s ultimate lap time.
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