RE: New AMG 2.0-litre is "most powerful ever
Discussion
Weekendrebuild said:
Am I the only one not remotely impressed ? I mean it’s turbo charged any idiot with a laptop some forge pistons ,rods, acl bearings an some ARP bolts could get near that in a shed. See them do that with no turbo 
And yet remain complaint with all emission regulations AND meet manufacturer durability criteria AND remain driveable?Dave Hedgehog said:
Darren93 said:
That'll be pricey...
looking at the GLC prices i would say 65k for an S with options The new A45 should be very nice matched with the changes to the AWD system that make the car rear biased and want to drift
hope the GLA45 is launched soon after, should be a riot with this revised tech
t out of them with load of million cell cats (joke) This engine will be started from cold and immediately redlined at maximum boost, switched off and repeated thousands of times, in all climates, both simulated and real. Anything more than the recommended service intervals will not be necessary. Although of course owners can choose to change the oil frequently if they wish, but most won’t.
Water Fairy said:
It is impressive how the boundries are being moved constantly but for a little perspective, there have been 1.0 litre bikes producing around 200bhp without a turbo for some time now. Sure, they're not likely to do 100k on the daily grind but they are reliable.
Personally I'd prefer a 6 or 8 sound track to accompany my 421bhp.
In relation to the litre bikes not being reliable, I think it's more a case of the UK weather killing off the suspension and the brakes rather than the engine not being reliable.Personally I'd prefer a 6 or 8 sound track to accompany my 421bhp.
Plenty of US videos of litre bikes on 100k miles plus.
I had a friend who commuted with a 929 Fireblade up to 92k miles in all weathers. Wasn't the engine that gave up...
Staggering progress, when you consider that the power output of the legendary 6.2L V8 was around 450-460BHP?
Whilst others have rightly commented that the Mitsubishi FQ engines were impressive for their time, they still are in terms of absolute power, this unit will have far longer service intervals and more useful linear torque; it will be far more palatable for day to day use. Very impressive.
Someone should drop this into a Caterham!
Whilst others have rightly commented that the Mitsubishi FQ engines were impressive for their time, they still are in terms of absolute power, this unit will have far longer service intervals and more useful linear torque; it will be far more palatable for day to day use. Very impressive.
Someone should drop this into a Caterham!
TEKNOPUG said:
thelostboy said:
Very impressive stuff!
People have cited the Mitsubishi before, but remember the Jap saloons - as impressive as they were - required servicing every 6,000 miles and had terrible fuel economy.
The 440 was basically an aftermarket tuner car (only 40 made) with a warranty.
I think when you also consider the emissions side of things, Mercedes have done a pretty amazing job, and it's good to see using clever technology being used for us petrolheads!
If I had a 400+bhp 4-pot turbo and was driving it as intended, I'd also be "servicing" it (oil and filter change) every 6k too.People have cited the Mitsubishi before, but remember the Jap saloons - as impressive as they were - required servicing every 6,000 miles and had terrible fuel economy.
The 440 was basically an aftermarket tuner car (only 40 made) with a warranty.
I think when you also consider the emissions side of things, Mercedes have done a pretty amazing job, and it's good to see using clever technology being used for us petrolheads!
We had it as an everyday car. It did the commutes, shopping runs, took the retriever(s) to the vets in the back of it, took the inlaws out of a family evening as well as all the fun stuff too.
Amazing they can do that, and now exceed it, in a car with a regular 3 year warranty and normal service intervals.
RacerMike said:
Water Fairy said:
RacerMike said:
Why? The service intervals on this are likely to be 12 months or 12,000 miles. You’d be literally throwing money down the drain if you serviced every 6k...
Lots of people do regular early oil changes in the interests of longevity.DIY say £60
Honestly, you could drive the thing like you stole it all year. The service schedule is a tested attribute so servicing at 6k miles will do very little to extend the life of the car and certainly not in the context of the first two owners. All you’d potentially do is maybe extend the life of the car to 175,000 from 150,000 miles say. But that’s assuming that something else doesn’t go wrong in this time which has absolutely nothing to do with oil quality.
Modern oils have as much to do with service intervals as anything else. But the abuse that the engines go through as part of their durability testing will honestly be nothing compared with what you do unless you plan on renting it out to people on the Nürburgring all year who are all capable of getting within 90% of the car’s ultimate lap time.
Court_S said:
That’s pretty impressive for a relatively small engine. It should be a little pocket rocket once it’s out but you just know the price is going to be eye watering. It’ll still sell though. The old A45 seems to have sold pretty well judging by the number I see around.
Sky high prices and quite poor residuals, if the old one is anything to go by....Very impressive but already the class leader on power output . The rest of the A45 not really at the races vs the best competition.
RS3 very close but as a 5 cyl its a much more characterful and chassis wise the previous model outclassed by Honda, Renault and even VW. New A35 is better but its no match for the Civic even so.
RS3 very close but as a 5 cyl its a much more characterful and chassis wise the previous model outclassed by Honda, Renault and even VW. New A35 is better but its no match for the Civic even so.
Dblue said:
Very impressive but already the class leader on power output . The rest of the A45 not really at the races vs the best competition.
RS3 very close but as a 5 cyl its a much more characterful and chassis wise the previous model outclassed by Honda, Renault and even VW. New A35 is better but its no match for the Civic even so.
Has anyone driven one to know? RS3 very close but as a 5 cyl its a much more characterful and chassis wise the previous model outclassed by Honda, Renault and even VW. New A35 is better but its no match for the Civic even so.
pb8g09 said:
Deep Thought said:
Sky high prices and quite poor residuals, if the old one is anything to go by....
Really? I’ve not seen low mileage A45s for much less than £25k on autotrader with a couple of options ticked. That’s strong money vs m140i. Early depreciation seems severe, then it seems to level off - presumably low miles optioned cars are rare.
Baldchap said:
Deep Thought said:
Has anyone driven one to know?
This is Pistonheads. You don't need to drive a car (or even to have seen it) to form an opinion on how rubbish it is to drive. This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Dblue said:
Not yet obviously, it's not been launched yet. But the A35 has. -
This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Hardly appropriate to assume the all new A45 will be like the old A45?This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Also, who said it wasnt best in class? Its class was the M2, the RS3 and itself. If you wanted a hatch and a car that could go round corners, the A45 was the best in class.
The A35 is designed to match the likes of the Golf R as a AWD turbo'd 300BHP ish 4 pot. Just like the new M135i is going to be. They are fitting a particular mould with the car.
Is the purpose of AMG not overwhelming power and crushing acceleraiton? Is that not their thing?
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