RE: New AMG 2.0-litre is "most powerful ever
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Very impressive! It is a bit of a false claim though as the FQ440 had more power 
They always seem to disregard these pesky low volume Mitsubishi engines when making these claims. A few years back I remember seeing the same claim from an earlier A class when the 8 FQ400 slipped their mind too 
They always seem to disregard these pesky low volume Mitsubishi engines when making these claims. A few years back I remember seeing the same claim from an earlier A class when the 8 FQ400 slipped their mind too StottyGTR said:
Very impressive! It is a bit of a false claim though as the FQ440 had more power They always seem to disregard these pesky low volume Mitsubishi engines when making these claims. A few years back I remember seeing the same claim from an earlier A class when the 8 FQ400 slipped their mind too
They aren't production cars though. They always seem to disregard these pesky low volume Mitsubishi engines when making these claims. A few years back I remember seeing the same claim from an earlier A class when the 8 FQ400 slipped their mind too ScoobyChris said:
Driver101 said:
They aren't production cars though.
Of course they are. Buy at your local Mitsubishi dealer and comes with a Mitsubishi warranty.Chris
They were only brave enough to offer a 36,000 mile warranty.
SidewaysSi said:
Dblue said:
Deep Thought said:
Dblue said:
Not yet obviously, it's not been launched yet. But the A35 has. -
This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Hardly appropriate to assume the all new A45 will be like the old A45?This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Also, who said it wasnt best in class? Its class was the M2, the RS3 and itself. If you wanted a hatch and a car that could go round corners, the A45 was the best in class.
The A35 is designed to match the likes of the Golf R as a AWD turbo'd 300BHP ish 4 pot. Just like the new M135i is going to be. They are fitting a particular mould with the car.
Is the purpose of AMG not overwhelming power and crushing acceleraiton? Is that not their thing?
If you want a hatch that could go round corners WELL then I reckon the old A45 wasn't in the top 6 in that class. It's not all about horsepower
Weekendrebuild said:
Am I the only one not remotely impressed ? I mean it’s turbo charged any idiot with a laptop some forge pistons ,rods, acl bearings an some ARP bolts could get near that in a shed. See them do that with no turbo 
I'd like to see you having a go at it then.. whilst also satisfying euro 6, getting competitive mpg and driveability, not to mention be reliable in all manner of extreme conditions over hundreds of thousands of miles and all on a mass-produced scale at profitable development costs. Yerr, easy...The brains that goes into this technology is far beyond the grasps of the vast majority of people, me included and I'm a 'proper' Engineer. But quite frankly it's wasted on people like you who have no appreciation of what your driving. How you can have the audacity to go online and belittle something you almost certainly don't have the first clue demonstrates just a staggering level of ignorance.
Edited by VeeFource on Friday 7th June 22:46
Driver101 said:
StottyGTR said:
Very impressive! It is a bit of a false claim though as the FQ440 had more power They always seem to disregard these pesky low volume Mitsubishi engines when making these claims. A few years back I remember seeing the same claim from an earlier A class when the 8 FQ400 slipped their mind too
They aren't production cars though. They always seem to disregard these pesky low volume Mitsubishi engines when making these claims. A few years back I remember seeing the same claim from an earlier A class when the 8 FQ400 slipped their mind too 
RacerMike said:
SidewaysSi said:
Dblue said:
Deep Thought said:
Dblue said:
Not yet obviously, it's not been launched yet. But the A35 has. -
This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Hardly appropriate to assume the all new A45 will be like the old A45?This piece is about AMGs power claims and I pointed out the old A45 was already the most powerful car in it's class, that did not make it the best car in it's class, not even close.
The A35 is the new chassis and is undoubtedly better than the old car but still not doing more than matching the Golf R which means it's still a little short of the very best.
Maybe AMG will knock it out of the park, maybe it will back up the monster power with a composed , agile and engaging chassis, I don't know. But it seems their main focus remains on overwhelming power and crushing acceleration stats and not sure that augurs well.
Also, who said it wasnt best in class? Its class was the M2, the RS3 and itself. If you wanted a hatch and a car that could go round corners, the A45 was the best in class.
The A35 is designed to match the likes of the Golf R as a AWD turbo'd 300BHP ish 4 pot. Just like the new M135i is going to be. They are fitting a particular mould with the car.
Is the purpose of AMG not overwhelming power and crushing acceleraiton? Is that not their thing?
If you want a hatch that could go round corners WELL then I reckon the old A45 wasn't in the top 6 in that class. It's not all about horsepower
VeeFource said:
I'd like to see you having a go at it then.. whilst also satisfying euro 6, getting competitive mpg and driveability, not to mention be reliable in all manner of extreme conditions over hundreds of thousands of miles and all on a mass-produced scale at profitable development costs. Yerr, easy...
The brains that goes into this technology is far beyond the grasps of the vast majority of people, me included and I'm a 'proper' Engineer. But quite frankly it's wasted on people like you who have no appreciation of what your driving. How you can have the audacity to go online and belittle something you almost certainly don't have the first clue demonstrates just a staggering level of ignorance.
The brains that goes into this technology is far beyond the grasps of the vast majority of people, me included and I'm a 'proper' Engineer. But quite frankly it's wasted on people like you who have no appreciation of what your driving. How you can have the audacity to go online and belittle something you almost certainly don't have the first clue demonstrates just a staggering level of ignorance.
Edited by VeeFource on Friday 7th June 22:46
Sorry proper engineer ??? my point wasn’t a literal one an was merely pointing out the bhp figures have been achieved befor and or close to many years ago. Sorry if I upset you there ! Here’s one of my little projects s85 v10 stroker no turbos needed here rebuilt with my own fair hands. not bad for an electrical engineer with no understanding and a passing interest .
Weekendrebuild said:
Sorry proper engineer ??? my point wasn’t a literal one an was merely pointing out the bhp figures have been achieved befor and or close to many years ago. Sorry if I upset you there ! Here’s one of my little projects s85 v10 stroker no turbos needed here rebuilt with my own fair hands. not bad for an electrical engineer with no understanding and a passing interest .
..ok so you do have some clue then 
Pretty awesome project that.Having worked in mass-production design roles, there's always so much more to it than the average consumer realises so us designers can get a bit defensive. Ultimately the point is that if it was easy to get that sort of power without special conditions (like 6k service intervals or no long warranties) it would have been done before now. So that in itself is impressive and yet they were already top of their game with the old engine so it is really quite remarkable in the grand scheme of things.
Not quite the “worlds most powerful production 2.0”
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonhea...
25 hp short
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonhea...
25 hp short
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