RE: Ultima reveals new 'RS' model
Discussion
200Plus Club said:
big_joe said:
The car in this article cost significantly more than that, but it does have every available option and upgrade including a lot of expensive carbon upgrades. Expected power/torque is 800/825 but you can push them more.
For anyone interested in having a look at it, it will be at Goodwood Festival of speed. It's not ready to go down the track yet though unfortunately.
That's a bit of a fail surely, ideal opportunity for putting in some times at the event in front of crowds and tv cameras alongside the other modern supercars and suchlike, as opposed to a static display of parts? For anyone interested in having a look at it, it will be at Goodwood Festival of speed. It's not ready to go down the track yet though unfortunately.
RobM77 said:
Exactly the point I was making earlier in the thread! Maybe they don’t want to sell too many cars?
Indeed - maybe Ultima don't too expand too far with all the problems that brings 
Rather strange that Ultima or Gardner Douglas cars are not campaigned in any race series. CSCC Open Series looks ideal for them. They are far better suited suited to the track than tootling around on the road. Are manufacturers or owners not brave enough?
big_joe said:
It's not mapped yet or even SVA'd. This isn't an Ultima demo car, it belongs to my friend. He started building a normal GTR and half way through they asked him if he wanted it to become the first/development incarnation of the new RS model.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It takes a day to map a car from scratch! What ECU is it running? good job ultima I guess now the old models are gonna get cheaper and cheaper, i hope because i m gonna get one im saveing for one i suere im not dieing before i get my hands in one of those babyes to me that is the RACE car for the street to OWN hands down , there isnt any other thing on wheels for the job with out breaking the bank
big_joe said:
It's not mapped yet or even SVA'd. This isn't an Ultima demo car, it belongs to my friend. He started building a normal GTR and half way through they asked him if he wanted it to become the first/development incarnation of the new RS model.
Ah right so it's not even a factory built / finished demo car. Your friend is the "development mule" so to speak. Edited by 200Plus Club on Saturday 15th June 06:46
bigdog3 said:
Indeed - maybe Ultima don't too expand too far with all the problems that brings
Rather strange that Ultima or Gardner Douglas cars are not campaigned in any race series. CSCC Open Series looks ideal for them. They are far better suited suited to the track than tootling around on the road. Are manufacturers or owners not brave enough?
I've built and sprinted but these are quite rare cars, and small companies. Owner/ builders have invested a fair chunk of cash and time building so racing /rubbing probably isn't high on the list unless you have cash to burn and time repairing potentially. My GD took me 13 months start to finish. GD have had some cobras and T70 owners race, and successful, but typical of most kit car companies probably there isn't time/money to support a factory built racer. Rather strange that Ultima or Gardner Douglas cars are not campaigned in any race series. CSCC Open Series looks ideal for them. They are far better suited suited to the track than tootling around on the road. Are manufacturers or owners not brave enough?
There should certainly be a factory demo car though available for journos and demos that's how you sell more, suprised there isn't a factory Ultima RS up and running :-)
I did a basic LT1 Drysump Spec and it came to around 95.000 Pounds.
Add 20 grand to build it + the dreaded VAT and its an expensive car but basically a Le Mans Racer for the road.
Personally I would resist the temptation to go for the 800 bhp package and just go for the basic 460 / 480 bhp LT1 drysump engine.
its 500 BHP/ton - Id have a hard time not killing myself in that already.
Seriously contemplating it.
Add 20 grand to build it + the dreaded VAT and its an expensive car but basically a Le Mans Racer for the road.
Personally I would resist the temptation to go for the 800 bhp package and just go for the basic 460 / 480 bhp LT1 drysump engine.
its 500 BHP/ton - Id have a hard time not killing myself in that already.
Seriously contemplating it.
It seems I've not explained myself very well with crossed wires on this one, the white RS pictured is actually a factory built masterpiece, completely finished.
It’s a sensational thing and the factory have done an amazing job in developing and bringing this new RS model to market.
The factory actually have 5 more new factory built Ultima RS cars in build right now, all 5 nearly finished and 2 out of the 5 already running.
It’s a sensational thing and the factory have done an amazing job in developing and bringing this new RS model to market.
The factory actually have 5 more new factory built Ultima RS cars in build right now, all 5 nearly finished and 2 out of the 5 already running.
Fantastic thing. And ideal for the unexpected never have to work again windfall, because not only would there be money to buy and run it, but building and tweaking it would be a hobby in itself, as would be learning to do it justice on a track.
On the electric conversion idea - no. Someone figuring out how to do that properly from a Tesla drivetrain would be awesome, doing to the Nio EP9 and Rimac Concept One what this does to petrol hypercars, but I think that if you wanted to get to there, you would not start with this.
On the electric conversion idea - no. Someone figuring out how to do that properly from a Tesla drivetrain would be awesome, doing to the Nio EP9 and Rimac Concept One what this does to petrol hypercars, but I think that if you wanted to get to there, you would not start with this.
Mintbird said:
One thing I have to disagree with though is their claim that it costs - in kit form - the same as a normal M3.
An M3 is what - 60 grand? this car is 95 with a base LT1 engine + VAT - so twice that price. then the build cost.
If you put it together yourself it wouldn't be far off. And a spec'd up M3/4 can be in excess of 70KAn M3 is what - 60 grand? this car is 95 with a base LT1 engine + VAT - so twice that price. then the build cost.
200Plus Club said:
bigdog3 said:
Rather strange that Ultima or Gardner Douglas cars are not campaigned in any race series. CSCC Open Series looks ideal for them. They are far better suited suited to the track than tootling around on the road. Are manufacturers or owners not brave enough?
I've built and sprinted but these are quite rare cars, and small companies. Owner/ builders have invested a fair chunk of cash and time building so racing /rubbing probably isn't high on the list unless you have cash to burn and time repairing potentially. Regardless, there was a Gardner Douglas being sprinted effectively some years ago at Barkston Heath (Javelin event)
Believe it was orange. Was that you?bigdog3 said:
otolith said:
On the electric conversion idea - no.
Installing an electric powertrain into a kit-car or classic makes no sense unless you drive big mileage. Anyone fancy 30,000 miles/year in an Ultima? 
bigdog3 said:
I've done many track days and have never seen either an Ultima or Gardner at these events. Accepting that racing can be damaging and expensive, how do owners resist using them properly on track days even if only occasionally? Seems an awful waste
Regardless, there was a Gardner Douglas being sprinted effectively some years ago at Barkston Heath (Javelin event) Believe it was orange. Was that you?
The same reason I would never take the Atom on a public session. I can just imagine some hero in a Clio trying to stuff it up the inside. Any contact, that's an £8K excess I have to put up, for someone else's stupidity.Regardless, there was a Gardner Douglas being sprinted effectively some years ago at Barkston Heath (Javelin event)
Believe it was orange. Was that you?No thanks.
When there's an owners day or a group of like minded owners get together it's fine.
I really like this new Ultima and would maybe even consider one in the future.
But a couple of points:
1) There needs to be more (any) independent tests of Ultimas. In all my time of reading Evo/Autocar and watching youtube channels I've never seen one independently tested. A 10+ year old video filmed on a potato at the Top Gear track doesn't cut it.
2) It also seems ashame that more owners don't track them. I also have never seen one on a track day. Perhaps most owners are either of the build-and-look-at-it or polisher variety? A road-going homage to group c should also be used on track.
But a couple of points:
1) There needs to be more (any) independent tests of Ultimas. In all my time of reading Evo/Autocar and watching youtube channels I've never seen one independently tested. A 10+ year old video filmed on a potato at the Top Gear track doesn't cut it.
2) It also seems ashame that more owners don't track them. I also have never seen one on a track day. Perhaps most owners are either of the build-and-look-at-it or polisher variety? A road-going homage to group c should also be used on track.
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