RE: All-new Mk2 Ford Escort in development

[ExPat2B]

The "cooking" version of a car comes from the phrase

"now we are cooking with gas"

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/25897/...

Which was an advertising slogan from the 40's.

It is commonly used as an expression when a mundane item/task is transformed into something better.

Examples of the phrase are for example

"I put an LS1 in this Mx5 - now we are cooking with Gas !"

"This chain saw now has a V8 - now we are cooking with Gas !"

The "Cooking" version of a car is the "hotted up" version of the base model.

For example, the Golf R is the cooking version of the Golf, the Focus RS is the cooking version of the Focus.

[s m]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

With the right engine, like a less-sophisticated E30 M3 ...at 50k with a new shell, almost half the price as well

[andymadmak]

GroundEffect said:

Cupramax said:

PH said:

Cooking versions of the rear-driven coupe are widely acknowledged as some of the Blue Oval’s finest driving machines

Who writes this bks? its a two door saloon, not a coupe.

A 2 door saloon is pretty-much the definition of a coupe...

I always thought that the definition of coupe was a two door car that also had a more sloping rear roof line and less space inside compared to its 4 door sibling. The Mk2 escort 2 door has the same roof line and interior space as the 4 door, so I'm not sure that it's a coupe - it's a 2 door saloon.

[Matt Bird]

budgie smuggler said:

"Cooking versions of the rear-driven coupe are widely acknowledged as some of the Blue Oval’s finest driving machines "

Not sure if I should be handing in my PH card here, but does "cooking versions" not mean the crappest versions of something that you would use for cooking? Like cooking chocolate or wine or whatever.

You are correct! And Sam is in the wrong... We'll let him know for future. And make amends to the story now!

Cheers,


Matt

[IanJ9375]

ExPat2B said:

The "cooking" version of a car comes from the phrase

"now we are cooking with gas"

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/25897/...

Which was an advertising slogan from the 40's.

It is commonly used as an expression when a mundane item/task is transformed into something better.

Examples of the phrase are for example

"I put an LS1 in this Mx5 - now we are cooking with Gas !"

"This chain saw now has a V8 - now we are cooking with Gas !"

The "Cooking" version of a car is the "hotted up" version of the base model.

For example, the Golf R is the cooking version of the Golf, the Focus RS is the cooking version of the Focus.

No "cooking on gas" doesn't mean the same as "cooking version" which means bottom version/nothing special hence why you would cook with it in terms of Wine or Sherry as it would be too crap to drink with etc

We've been here before - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Andy83n]

jamesson said:

AW10 said:

But presumably no chance of getting it road registered?

The article said:

one tested to IVA requirements so it can be registered for road use.

So I can do this with my* brand new DB4 GT Zagato too...Perhaps someone should let the bods at Aston Martin know

• subject to checking last night's EuroMillions result

[s m]

andymadmak said:

GroundEffect said:

Cupramax said:

PH said:

Cooking versions of the rear-driven coupe are widely acknowledged as some of the Blue Oval’s finest driving machines

Who writes this bks? its a two door saloon, not a coupe.

A 2 door saloon is pretty-much the definition of a coupe...

I always thought that the definition of coupe was a two door car that also had a more sloping rear roof line and less space inside compared to its 4 door sibling. The Mk2 escort 2 door has the same roof line and interior space as the 4 door, so I'm not sure that it's a coupe - it's a 2 door saloon.

I’ve always thought of the Escorts as 2-dr saloons ......but then these days lots of things get called a coupe e.g was there ever a 4-dr saloon 1-series or just the 2-dr coupe?

[irocfan]

Zad said:

I was a bit of a fan of this Mk1 remake design. Just a bit of fantasy what-iffery, but yeah, what if!

https://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2007/05/21-b...

looks very American (Camaro rear wing?)

[Turbobanana]

Water Fairy said:

Cupramax said:

PH said:

Cooking versions of the rear-driven coupe are widely acknowledged as some of the Blue Oval’s finest driving machines

Who writes this bks? its a two door saloon, not a coupe.

Can you define the difference please?

Coupe derives from the French for "cut", and was originally used to describe a car whose bodywork and / or wheelbase had been cut in the interests of speed, handling or appearance (bear in mind that in early days cars were often sold as a chassis onto which a body was placed - obviously nowadays cars are built as a unitary design and a Coupe is often a completely different shape to the saloon / hatch version but features mostly the same underpinnings). Generally, but not exclusively, applied to 2-door cars (Rover P5 Coupe is a good exception).

A 2-door saloon is just that: same shape as a 4-door but with half the doors. Hence E30s often being wrongly called coupes, whereas E36s were offered as a genuine coupe.

[aeropilot]

andymadmak said:

I always thought that the definition of coupe was a two door car that also had a more sloping rear roof line and less space inside compared to its 4 door sibling. The Mk2 escort 2 door has the same roof line and interior space as the 4 door, so I'm not sure that it's a coupe - it's a 2 door saloon.

Correct.

2 door Escort is a 2-dr saloon, always was, and always will be.

Coupe my arse.

[aeropilot]

Julian Thompson said:

ChevronB19 said:

grumpy52 said:

Cooking in old parlance was the warmed up version of a car . Many did "cooking" versions of cars it was a discription. Brabham Vivas were the cooking version of a Viva , Lumo did cooking versions of Capris , the Cooper and Cooper S were the cooking versions of minis .
As for the great handling of the MK2 , the modern developed versions certainly do handle pretty well .
They certainly weren't the best back in the day , they required a lot of stiffness adding to the shells to give a stable platform . They became very popular and had loads of development work for competition. Things like the Avenger, Chevette and Viva/Firenza were better base cars but were never developed as much and were nowhere near as popular.
300+ bhp in a sub 1000kg package that is very controlable on tarmac make them still very competitive on smooth surface events .

Nope, ‘cooking’ is the base model. Derived from when people used to/still do use cheap wine for cooking.

And more on topic (me, not you) I was at Barbon hillclimb at the weekend where a Sunbeam (I think a Ti, albeit fully prepped) annihilated all the saloons. Escorts are brilliant, I love them, but value for money wise a Sunbeam is the way to go (in my opinion of course)

Sunbeam gets under your skin like almost no other car. It’s a crazy, crap, but brilliant thing with contrasts and contradictions everywhere. The most rubbish car ever made and also one of the best balanced, most feelsome chassis with (in lotus form) a cracker of an engine. An absolute enigma and I can’t understand why after 1981 they are still available to buy for £2.50 when escorts etc went crazy. It doesn’t make sense!

It does make sense if you understand the basics of supply and demand for Historic Rallying, and the rules.

I've owned 5 Escorts (Twin Cam, 3 x RS2000's and a Mexico) and 2 Sunbeam's (Ti and a Lotus) and enjoyed all of them for what they were at the time. Owned the Sunbeam-Lotus for the longest (16 years) and was chiefly instrumental in starting the owners club 30 years ago......

If I could any one of those 7 cars back today right now, it would be the Twin Cam without hesitation, best chassis/engine combo of the lot.

[Jex]

Augustus Windsock said:

leakymanifold said:

Honest question: Can someone explain to me why an ancient ford chassis is so desirable?

If you haven’t driven one, you don’t know. If you have, you do....

My Mk2 Escort Harrier still remains one of my favourite cars, although it was a bit accident prone - mainly from other cars in car parks. I took it to Longleat and the baboons broke the aerial off and chewed lumps out of the rear spoiler. Then someone drove into the back of it and I managed to get a new rear spoiler included in the repair. I also managed to put it in a field once with no other creatures being involved, luckily with little damage except to my pride (I had two passengers). It was also in that car that I discovered I should always drive cars with ABS when I managed to rear end a Granada. It was turning left into a junction and then didn't. I was going down hill on a wet day and the wheels locked. I knew that I should release the brakes and re-apply them, but some primal instinct wouldn't let me. I had it for 10 years, but when my wife got a car and I had a company car (remember them) it had to go. I often wish I still had it. My company car was a Mk3. Not the same thing at all.

[J4CKO]

IanJ9375 said:

ExPat2B said:

The "cooking" version of a car comes from the phrase

"now we are cooking with gas"

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/25897/...

Which was an advertising slogan from the 40's.

It is commonly used as an expression when a mundane item/task is transformed into something better.

Examples of the phrase are for example

"I put an LS1 in this Mx5 - now we are cooking with Gas !"

"This chain saw now has a V8 - now we are cooking with Gas !"

The "Cooking" version of a car is the "hotted up" version of the base model.

For example, the Golf R is the cooking version of the Golf, the Focus RS is the cooking version of the Focus.

No "cooking on gas" doesn't mean the same as "cooking version" which means bottom version/nothing special hence why you would cook with it in terms of Wine or Sherry as it would be too crap to drink with etc

We've been here before - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Its like asking people what name they give a bread roll....

"Cooking" to me means the normal versions, nothing special, as mentioned, like cooking Chocolate, Sherry or whatever.

[J4CKO]

aeropilot said:

andymadmak said:

I always thought that the definition of coupe was a two door car that also had a more sloping rear roof line and less space inside compared to its 4 door sibling. The Mk2 escort 2 door has the same roof line and interior space as the 4 door, so I'm not sure that it's a coupe - it's a 2 door saloon.

Correct.

2 door Escort is a 2-dr saloon, always was, and always will be.

Coupe my arse.

An Escort (and Cortina) Coupe was pretty much called a Capri.

[dhutch]

Pit Pony said:

And that most of the shells came from a donor 1.0 car in brown.

...Lotus shell disappeared to the scrap yard.

Where the shells actually different between the two then? I like the car, but as said, I couldn't find one for £2.50 when I looked.

[dhutch]

housen said:

oki thx

so will need airbags etc ?

Shouldn't do, no. Same rules as applied to kitcars, you don't need an airbag in a new Caterfield.

[blade7]

'All-new MK2 Ford Escort', or look alike bitsa mongrel? At least they stopped short of describing it as an RS.

[rampageturke]

aeropilot said:

Greatest, and most successful rally car ever........and clearly you've never driven one on a loose surface, as if you had you wouldn't have asked such a silly question.

god fk off

[J4CKO]

blade7 said:

'All-new MK2 Ford Escort', or look alike bitsa mongrel? At least they stopped short of describing it as an RS.

Would take this over an original RS 2000 to be fair.

[rastapasta]

These are very popular with the rally fraternity in Ireland. A lot of them are very heavily modified with sequential gearboxes, engines from suzuki's or Opels mounted etc. Good entertainment value when you see them sliding around in action. I recall one hitting a dry stone wall in a rally which was being run by our farm and us spending the next couple of days scouring the grass for bits in case they would get swallowed up by a conditioner mower come silage cutting time.