RE: TVR finally hurdles factory delay
Discussion
Equus said:
Which bit of the fact that TVR is already beyond the tender stage, with the contract documentation already complete, are you failing to comprehend?
In case you were too busy trying to argue with everybody to notice, that's what this article is actually about.
Have you read the article? If you disagree with why the delays have happened that’s one thing, but to state your opinions as fact is another. You have no connection at all to the contract, yet seem happy to make out that the management team are all idiots, it’s just a little bit obvious, not to mention sad. Triumph have nothing to do with it. It took 10 months to build one of the most complex automated buildings in Europe, but it wasn’t in Wales, and if you haven’t delivered a project there I would suggest you are missing out on all the fun things in life. Why would TVR actively delay the process, to appease people with hair growing out of their ears on the internet, no, and nobody knows. If and when cars roll out of the factory it’ll be brilliant. In case you were too busy trying to argue with everybody to notice, that's what this article is actually about.
So cancel the deposit (as if) and keep slagging people off that you don’t know. It makes you look very daft indeed. You seem to live for misery.
Tatraplan said:
I used to work in the Techboard factory. Not surprised to hear of some nasty stuff left behind.
I sincerely hope the TVR board are allowing for some snow tyres on the transporters and are considering a 4WD version of the car.
When it snowed, I had to sleep at work for 3 days!!
Nah, they’ll just use Rich’s helicopter to fly people in and out if it gets a bit snowy I sincerely hope the TVR board are allowing for some snow tyres on the transporters and are considering a 4WD version of the car.
When it snowed, I had to sleep at work for 3 days!!
yonex said:
Yep see above 
So... given your unlimited expertise in all matters, and the fact that the article tells us that the contractor has been selected and the work can now proceed this year, what makes you think that it will take another 4 years to refurbish a large portal frame shed?Idiot.
Byker28i said:
As soon as this is seen hooning around the top gear/Grand tour track and performing well, then it'll have a following.
Have you noticed how long it takes from launch until you get to see a car hooning around the Top Gear / Grand Tour tracks? I think that's one of the reasons that GT has cancelled that format. These days no-one cares about the lap times of a car 18 months on from its first drives in the print media and internet. TVR may well have gone tits-up by that point anyway.Equus said:
So... given your unlimited expertise in all matters, and the fact that the article tells us that the contractor has been selected and the work can now proceed this year, what makes you think that it will take another 4 years to refurbish a large portal frame shed?
Idiot.
Idiot.
PH said:
The latest predictions suggest that first deliveries of the Launch Edition model ought to kick off in late 2020, with the volume car appearing a year later.
What exactly is your problem? You don't have a deposit down and all you want to do is talk about a Triumph factory which you apparently were involved with, big deal, great, move on. I never claimed to be an expert, never stated it will take 'any' amount of time to build a 'large shed', and I don't know John Bloor. But what I do know is that people who start calling others names, this is a bit of a thing now, Les Edgar et al, without knowing them, the details of the contract, or the logisitics of this project obviously have a slight agenda, what that is, who knows?
PH said:
TVR finally hurdles factory delay
Good news, and all the very best to them and all involved. When cars start being built I will be very interested to see how they stack up against a sea of boring mainstream cars, I genuinely hope it succeeds.www.sensusarchitecture.co.uk
I suggest if you carry on like this it would be wise not to add your website to your profile. You never know what 'idiot' you might be insulting. Poor form and bad for business I would suggest.
yonex said:
PH said:
The latest predictions suggest that first deliveries of the Launch Edition model ought to kick off in late 2020, with the volume car appearing a year later.
What exactly is your problem?If you actually extract your head from up your arse long enough to check what you were actually arguing with me about, you'll see that I was responding to Alex_6n2's assertion that it would take another 4 years to sort the building out.
I'm simply saying (with the benefit of 4 decades experience in the industry) that it shouldn't. Late 2020 is a perfectly realistic target for having the building in operation, notwithstanding other potential issues (of which there are many).
You don't actually know what it is you're arguing about, do you? You're just arguing because that's what you do?
yonex said:
It was your daft comment about Triumph, and 'if they can do it...'
What I was saying, if you would care to wind your neck in for one moment, was that to build an entirely new factory, including design and gaining Planning and Building Regulations consent, inside of 9 months and with no advance planning of the requirement really was a stupendous achievement - that's not blowing smoke up John Bloor's ass, it's a simple statement of fact, as anyone in the building industry will tell you.Conversely, as I said, you'd need to be spectacularly incompetent to take 4 years from appointment of the contractor (by which stage all the design, statutory approvals, contract documentation etc. are already settled) to refurbish an existing portal frame factory.
In comparison to what was achieved at Triumph, it's an utter piece of piss, is what I was saying.
Equus said:
What I was saying, if you would care to wind your neck in one moment, was that to build an entirely new factory, including design and gaining Planning and Building Regulations consent, inside of 9 months really was a stupendous achievement - that's not blowing smoke up John Bloor's ass, it's a simple statement of fact, as anyone in the building industry will tell you.
Conversely, as I said, you'd need to be spectacularly incompetent to take 4 years from appointment of the contractor (by which stage all the design, statutory approvals, contract documentation etc. are already settled) to refurbish an existing portal frame factory.
In comparison to what was achieved at Triumph, it's an utter piece of piss, is what I was saying.
Blah, blah, blah. Conversely, as I said, you'd need to be spectacularly incompetent to take 4 years from appointment of the contractor (by which stage all the design, statutory approvals, contract documentation etc. are already settled) to refurbish an existing portal frame factory.
In comparison to what was achieved at Triumph, it's an utter piece of piss, is what I was saying.
You worked under John Bloor, really, you never said, that's amazing.
Are you still haunted by your old Griffith
is this the reason for your little rant? There you go. If you want an architect, you know who to avoid
And when the first production TVR rolls off the line in 2022 ( 5 years late... )
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yonex said:
Are you still haunted by your old Griffith is this the reason for your little rant?
And that's what your inane ramblings are really all about, isn't it? is this the reason for your little rant? Clearly, you were stung by my comments, or you wouldn't remember them?
Yes, the Griffith was a badly engineered plastic turd. I'm sorry if you're a deluded fanboi, but there it is.
Nothing to do with the current debate... you'll see that I'm hardly alone in believing that Edgar's aspirations for the marque are off in the realms of pure fantasy - even some of those who were enthusiastic enough to place early deposits are getting disquietened.
unsprung said:
In participating on PH, I've been informed numerous times that almost any car I've ever owned, driven, or wanted to buy is most emphatically not a sports car.
Yes, that's the way it goes. Apparently my cars are far too heavy and far too modern to pass the test.The real oddity is that by 2021 when almost every remaining ICE car still for sale on this planet will be a 4-pot turbo anyone thinks there will be a market for a V8 new-TVR.
Next month Corvette are due to launch their new mid-engine car.
rockin said:
The real oddity is that by 2021 when almost every remaining ICE car still for sale on this planet will be a 4-pot turbo anyone thinks there will be a market for a V8 new-TVR.
It is funny that you say that and one of my mates has an Alpine A110 and I met up with him at a TVR meet where the new TVR turned up. He said to me why on earth would anyone want a thirsty big V8 anymore? I was a bit shocked if I'm honest at what he said, but I guess he is indicative to what most people want nowadays...small engines with decent economy/performance. Equus said:
And that's what your inane ramblings are really all about, isn't it?
Clearly, you were stung by my comments, or you wouldn't remember them?
Yes, the Griffith was a badly engineered plastic turd. I'm sorry if you're a deluded fanboi, but there it is.
Nothing to do with the current debate... you'll see that I'm hardly alone in believing that Edgar's aspirations for the marque are off in the realms of pure fantasy - even some of those who were enthusiastic enough to place early deposits are getting disquietened.
Not at all, I really don't care what some random snowflake thinks of a 1980's TVR, it makes no odds to me whatsoever and points to someone who hasn't really got much in the way of ability behind the wheel, but that's for another day. It does seem a bit odd that you chose to pick a fight over nothing in a TVR topic, of no relevance to you, given your obvious fear of them Clearly, you were stung by my comments, or you wouldn't remember them?
Yes, the Griffith was a badly engineered plastic turd. I'm sorry if you're a deluded fanboi, but there it is.
Nothing to do with the current debate... you'll see that I'm hardly alone in believing that Edgar's aspirations for the marque are off in the realms of pure fantasy - even some of those who were enthusiastic enough to place early deposits are getting disquietened.
Never mind. I am sure Nissan will sell you a Leaf, you wont even have to wait for them to build a shed.
cerb4.5lee said:
It is funny that you say that and one of my mates has an Alpine A110 and I met up with him at a TVR meet where the new TVR turned up. He said to me why on earth would anyone want a thirsty big V8 anymore? I was a bit shocked if I'm honest at what he said, but I guess he is indicative to what most people want nowadays...small engines with decent economy/performance.
That's the problem. Things have changed, the market for cars which actually need driving and that will likely bite you if you're not paying attention are already pretty well covered. I remember looking at the first one and thinking it was too expensive, however. How many sink enormous sums into Singers and the like, there is money around but the issue will, and has always been where the 'new' buyers are. After the glut of enthusiasts have been satisfied, along with the odd youtube type, what next?I would be interested to know from anyone who actually has a deposit down how TVR are handling the delays, what is actually being said outside of social media to those that have £10K in? How many have walked away and how many are? Is there a list as there was a while back of the order book as it currently stands?
I don't agree it's already out of date, but the Corvette will be interesting, if it makes it to the UK with a half decent price tag.
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