RE: Honda e spec details revealed
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To my mind this is much mre how an electric car should be. I'm not interested in 2 tons behemoths. I want something small, light, that I can do the school run in, and then pick up some shopping on the way home.
I tried a Twizzy, great fun, I'm prepared to overlook the obviously practical shortcomings, but the numbers were absurd. No PCP available (nobody apparently will guarantee their value in 3 yrs time). Best price for a nearly new twizzy was £240+ pcm plus another £40 for battery rental. That's nuts. I'd expected them to be £100-120pcm. At that price you can justify them if you'll save a couple of tank fillups per month.
Anyway, the e looks like it could be my next practical small car (currently thinking about an up! GTi), just as long as the numbers come in about right.
I tried a Twizzy, great fun, I'm prepared to overlook the obviously practical shortcomings, but the numbers were absurd. No PCP available (nobody apparently will guarantee their value in 3 yrs time). Best price for a nearly new twizzy was £240+ pcm plus another £40 for battery rental. That's nuts. I'd expected them to be £100-120pcm. At that price you can justify them if you'll save a couple of tank fillups per month.
Anyway, the e looks like it could be my next practical small car (currently thinking about an up! GTi), just as long as the numbers come in about right.
IF the numbers being bandied about in here (£35k for the Honda, £240pcm +£40 for battery on the Twizzy)
then there's no way that the majority of motorists will desert their ICE vehicles until electric hits parity with ICE in terms of purchase cost + running cost.
Whether that be because of market forces or government incentives makes no difference.
I'd get shot of my diesel Fiesta in an instant if I could afford an EV, but the reality is that I simply can't.
then there's no way that the majority of motorists will desert their ICE vehicles until electric hits parity with ICE in terms of purchase cost + running cost.
Whether that be because of market forces or government incentives makes no difference.
I'd get shot of my diesel Fiesta in an instant if I could afford an EV, but the reality is that I simply can't.
DickP said:
parabolica said:
Uses existing infrastructure to deliver power. There is a QR code above each plug to help you log into your account and pay for the charging.
ETA urgh sorry about the pic rotation...
I wouldn't have thought the existing lamp post cabling would be sufficient to run vehicle charging points?
parabolica said:
666 SVT said:
How does the lamppost charging thing work? We have fifty houses in our road and seven lampposts, One of which is outside my house does that mean I wouldn’t be able to park there as I’d be blocking the charger?
Don’t know where it works elsewhere, but on my street there aren’t any individually marked bays, just a parking lane stretching down both sides of the street and about 7 lamp posts with sockets. I haven’t seen anyone using them yet so just normal cars parked next to them, but I suppose if the council see a significant up take in their usage they would mark off bays for them. Not seen ANYONE park in them yet, and they're always left empty because I think they may ticket you if your car isn't electric and you park there. Was tempted to put a faux charging point on the side of my 2005 Honda Accord – I'm sure the parking officers haven't got the foggiest what is electric and what isn't :P
bloomen said:
Interesting how a few relatively subtle changes make all the difference.
Concept - instant desire.
Reality - instant indifference.
I can't really agree with you. I think Honda have done a much better job than most in translating a concept to a road car. The point seems to be how similar they've made it look to the original Civic Mk1 of the early seventies. Look at one of those and you'll see what I mean. The outside looks a lot like it, the inspiration for the interior becomes clear. Fiat did the same trick with the 500 and that went quite well too.Concept - instant desire.
Reality - instant indifference.
The only problems I can see here are the cost and the range, but I suspect this will sell really strongly.
I know that they would have to change some things, but I can't understand the direction of travel here. The concept had 'hooded' lights to add some aggression, the production version looks cute instead. The concept had the strong line around the rear and up to a roof in the same colour, almost like a racing helmet, the production version has a bloated black roof. I thought the concept looked great but whilst the production version isn't *that* different, I think it looks poor.
Added to the fact that it's £35k for a range less than half of a Tesla Model 3 (£38k), I can't see it making a case for itself. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love Honda to succeed in making electric cars.
Added to the fact that it's £35k for a range less than half of a Tesla Model 3 (£38k), I can't see it making a case for itself. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love Honda to succeed in making electric cars.
I think I'd need it to be around the 150 mile range to seriously consider it (I have a 60 mile round trip commute so I'd be recharging every night) but I like the looks and it should be nippy and all that. I'd be interested to know how big it is. It looks VW Up size but I suspect it will be bigger?
Evilex said:
IF the numbers being bandied about in here (£35k for the Honda, £240pcm +£40 for battery on the Twizzy)
then there's no way that the majority of motorists will desert their ICE vehicles until electric hits parity with ICE in terms of purchase cost + running cost.
Whether that be because of market forces or government incentives makes no difference.
I'd get shot of my diesel Fiesta in an instant if I could afford an EV, but the reality is that I simply can't.
That's the exact reality of the situation. £35k for a Honda e, or £11k for an ex demo up! GTi.then there's no way that the majority of motorists will desert their ICE vehicles until electric hits parity with ICE in terms of purchase cost + running cost.
Whether that be because of market forces or government incentives makes no difference.
I'd get shot of my diesel Fiesta in an instant if I could afford an EV, but the reality is that I simply can't.
Turbobanana said:
I can't really agree with you.
I can of course only speak for myself. But if the original were sat in front of me I would have a strong desire to own it. The latter would leave me completely unmoved. I can't put my finger on why but that's the way it affects me at least. steveb8189 said:
EyeHeartSpellin said:
The concept was amazing 
Except the wheels is it really that much different? I've certainly seen concepts being butchered more - or not made at allwab172uk said:
Range of 125 miles ???? lol.
Turn on all those Ipad screens .... 100 miles.
Play about with those Ipad screens ..... 80 miles
Turn on the lights ......... 70 miles
Turn on the Air-con ........ 40 miles.
Only can be realistically used in the City, where journey times distances are short.
While those figures are clearly exaggerated throw in 0 degrees ambient and that will 125 miles will be a pipe dream, does it come with proper battery heating/cooling?Turn on all those Ipad screens .... 100 miles.
Play about with those Ipad screens ..... 80 miles
Turn on the lights ......... 70 miles
Turn on the Air-con ........ 40 miles.
Only can be realistically used in the City, where journey times distances are short.
bloomen said:
Turbobanana said:
I can't really agree with you.
I can of course only speak for myself. But if the original were sat in front of me I would have a strong desire to own it. The latter would leave me completely unmoved. I can't put my finger on why but that's the way it affects me at least. steveb8189 said:
Except the wheels is it really that much different? I've certainly seen concepts being butchered more - or not made at all
It isn't that much different, but there's enough differences that just take away some of the charm that the concept had and replaced it with a softer, more rounded cute-sy appearance. That black side stripe has gone, the bonnet isn't quite as angular at the front, there is a more rounded profile where the windscreen meets the roof. Its definitely the same car, but with just a few changes have softened it up. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff