RE: Honda e spec details revealed
Discussion
Really don't know what to make of the range. Hopefully they have been very conservative.
The eGolf, or at least the later incarnations, had similar size packs and I had one for a few months and to be honest, 100 miles in winter was stretching it. That does tally with numbers presented here though:
https://ev-database.uk/car/1087/Volkswagen-e-Golf
The official numbers for the eGolf are around 180 mi on the NEDC, and 140 miles on the WLTP. The estimated real world range was then put at 120. So hopefully this is what Honda have quoted, because if its 125 on either of the official cycles then real world range will be super-pants.
The eGolf, or at least the later incarnations, had similar size packs and I had one for a few months and to be honest, 100 miles in winter was stretching it. That does tally with numbers presented here though:
https://ev-database.uk/car/1087/Volkswagen-e-Golf
The official numbers for the eGolf are around 180 mi on the NEDC, and 140 miles on the WLTP. The estimated real world range was then put at 120. So hopefully this is what Honda have quoted, because if its 125 on either of the official cycles then real world range will be super-pants.
austinsmirk said:
our 30kwh leaf is at about 125 miles range in winter and about 145 in summer (less power drain).
If this is 35kwh, can't see any reason why it won't be better in fact. I'm thinking 125 miles is a bit conservative.
Agreed. Our 24kWh Leaf is up to about 90 in the winter and about 100 in the summer.If this is 35kwh, can't see any reason why it won't be better in fact. I'm thinking 125 miles is a bit conservative.
125 miles from a smaller car with 35kWh should be easy.
My 'commute', such as it is, is 10 miles each way so charging once or maybe twice a week is no hardship.
Mostly use my iQ at the moment, which is bought and paid for and uses two thimbles of fuel a week (or c. 20l).
I'd love a Honda e but at the prices being bandied around it'd be a hard sell.
Cloudy147 said:
I love the look of this!
I thought it might be the equivalent of a £10-15k petrol car. A little city thing - a cutsy Fiat 500 'green' alternative. So maybe £15-18k as an electric to really get them out of the door and turn a corner for the industry.
£28-35k? are they having a laugh?
Unfortunately, due to battery costs, £10-15K isn't achievable. This has a 35 kWh battery pack, which I estimate to cost Honda about £5k+ each, not to mention all the other expensive parts such as charger, inverter and EDU. The VW e-Up had a battery capacity less than half that of the Honda, and that still had a price of nearly £20k, and wasn't pitched anywhere near as premium. I thought it might be the equivalent of a £10-15k petrol car. A little city thing - a cutsy Fiat 500 'green' alternative. So maybe £15-18k as an electric to really get them out of the door and turn a corner for the industry.
£28-35k? are they having a laugh?
Small, cheap EVs that match the practicality of an ICE equivalent are not really viable at the moment and until there's a significant step change in battery technology, there wont be.
Edited by Cable on Friday 14th June 14:57
Cable said:
Cloudy147 said:
I love the look of this!
I thought it might be the equivalent of a £10-15k petrol car. A little city thing - a cutsy Fiat 500 'green' alternative. So maybe £15-18k as an electric to really get them out of the door and turn a corner for the industry.
£28-35k? are they having a laugh?
Unfortunately, due to battery costs, £10-15K isn't achievable. This has a 35 kWh battery pack, which I estimate to cost Honda about £5k+ each, not to mention all the other expensive parts such as charger, inverter and EDU. The VW e-Up had a battery capacity less than half that of the Honda, and that still had a price of nearly £20k, and wasn't pitched anywhere near as premium. I thought it might be the equivalent of a £10-15k petrol car. A little city thing - a cutsy Fiat 500 'green' alternative. So maybe £15-18k as an electric to really get them out of the door and turn a corner for the industry.
£28-35k? are they having a laugh?
Small, cheap EVs that match the practicality of an ICE equivalent are not really viable at the moment.
Skoda Citigo is going EV and presumably its just going to use the bits from the e-UP. But interestingly, according to the Fully Charged Podcast, its got near double the battery capacity. That will be an interesting one to keep an eye out for.
Looks cool but the range is crap for price
The new 208 electric will do 100 miles more for probably £10k less
This is knocking on for Tesla Model 3 money if it is £35k and has a range worse than an I3 which is coming to the end of its life.
On a cold day with the heater etc. on it will probably one do 90 miles. If it had a range of circa. 210 like the Peugeot it would make far more sense.
The new 208 electric will do 100 miles more for probably £10k less
This is knocking on for Tesla Model 3 money if it is £35k and has a range worse than an I3 which is coming to the end of its life.
On a cold day with the heater etc. on it will probably one do 90 miles. If it had a range of circa. 210 like the Peugeot it would make far more sense.
B17NNS said:
I can see a bit of 205GTi and Saxo VTS in the rear quarter along with the flared arches. There's a nod to the Mk1 Golf GTi and Mini Clubman in the nose.
Only, if you knew Honda's history, you'd know that there is no 'nod' to a MK1 Golf - in fact this car is a modern take on Honda's own Mk1 Civic, a car that predates the first Golf by two years...sidesauce said:
nly, if you knew Honda's history, you'd know that there is no 'nod' to a MK1 Golf - in fact this car is a modern take on Honda's own Mk1 Civic, a car that predates the first Golf by two years...
I meant purely in aesthetic terms (as in to my eyes). Black grille, two circular headlights. I'm not suggesting they're taking styling cues from zee Germans.I'm swinging back to liking this again. Range is fine for my needs.
I'm not in a position to buy one in the near future though, and if I were it would need to be nearer £20,000 than £30,000 to make it viable. I'd like to save the planet and all that, but my iQ returns c. 50mpg and it's bought and paid for - with no signs of dying yet.
I'm not in a position to buy one in the near future though, and if I were it would need to be nearer £20,000 than £30,000 to make it viable. I'd like to save the planet and all that, but my iQ returns c. 50mpg and it's bought and paid for - with no signs of dying yet.
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