RE: Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder unveiled
Discussion
WCZ said:
not at all, I think it's not a great 0-60 for the size of the car and power.
for example:
718 Cayman GT4 - 420hp 4.4 0-60
vs
997 GT3 - 429hp 4.0 (manual gearbox)
997 Carrera 2S- 380hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 Carrera S - 395hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 GTS - 444hp 4.1 (manual gearbox)
lotus exige 350 - 350hp 3.7 - (manual gearbox)
re: the 718 - I drove one and hated it but this looks much more promising.
Well for a start the figure quoted is 4.4 to 62mph not 60mph (that gives a 0-60mph time of around 4.2) when you add in the greater traction off the line the 911 has then the figures stack up. for example:
718 Cayman GT4 - 420hp 4.4 0-60
vs
997 GT3 - 429hp 4.0 (manual gearbox)
997 Carrera 2S- 380hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 Carrera S - 395hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 GTS - 444hp 4.1 (manual gearbox)
lotus exige 350 - 350hp 3.7 - (manual gearbox)
re: the 718 - I drove one and hated it but this looks much more promising.
yonex said:
Do people still talk about 0-60 lol
No they don't sadly...they talk about whether a car has Android Auto or Apple Car Play now instead! 
Joking aside I would imagine that most still consider 0 to 60 as a general guide to the performance of a car. For me personally I'm more interested in the power to weight ratio and the 0 to 100 time.
I had a BMW 640d with a 0 to 60 time of 5.3 seconds(which I thought was good) but it took an age to get from 0 to 100, and 100 plus nothing much happened. So that is a good example of how meaningless the 0 to 60 time can be for me.
I've only ever bought two Porsches in my life. A 987.1 Cayman S in 2006 and a 981 GT4 in 2016. Both new. Yes, I got one last time (eventually). I was definitely first on their list, I got their tenth car.
I have just specced up a 718 GT4 on the configurator and 'mine' comes to just under £87k. I paid £73.5k on the road for my 981, which I still have - 3.5 years and 10k miles later.
Despite having kept in touch with my OPC over the years and always having my two Caymans serviced, and mostly maintained, in the OPC network - I'm clearly a small-fry customer and am therefore realistic about my chances about getting a new 718. But I'd say yes if I did.
I have just specced up a 718 GT4 on the configurator and 'mine' comes to just under £87k. I paid £73.5k on the road for my 981, which I still have - 3.5 years and 10k miles later.
Despite having kept in touch with my OPC over the years and always having my two Caymans serviced, and mostly maintained, in the OPC network - I'm clearly a small-fry customer and am therefore realistic about my chances about getting a new 718. But I'd say yes if I did.
Wills2 said:
WCZ said:
not at all, I think it's not a great 0-60 for the size of the car and power.
for example:
718 Cayman GT4 - 420hp 4.4 0-60
vs
997 GT3 - 429hp 4.0 (manual gearbox)
997 Carrera 2S- 380hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 Carrera S - 395hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 GTS - 444hp 4.1 (manual gearbox)
lotus exige 350 - 350hp 3.7 - (manual gearbox)
re: the 718 - I drove one and hated it but this looks much more promising.
Well for a start the figure quoted is 4.4 to 62mph not 60mph (that gives a 0-60mph time of around 4.2) when you add in the greater traction off the line the 911 has then the figures stack up. for example:
718 Cayman GT4 - 420hp 4.4 0-60
vs
997 GT3 - 429hp 4.0 (manual gearbox)
997 Carrera 2S- 380hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 Carrera S - 395hp 4.5 (manual gearbox)
991 GTS - 444hp 4.1 (manual gearbox)
lotus exige 350 - 350hp 3.7 - (manual gearbox)
re: the 718 - I drove one and hated it but this looks much more promising.
Tbf I know GT products are night and day from the normal fodder, but for a road car, a 911t with the tuning 9e do to take it to 550 plus brake looks far more compelling and better VFM.
Still lovely cars and great to have more choice out there however the back catalogue is always worth a scour!
Why all this fuss about 0-60? If you want to go from 0-60 quickly by an Audi TTRS and chip it, job done (but you won't and you know why). There is more to a car than 0-60 times, they have to be balanced, fun and engaging to drive.
If you really enjoy driving you will want an NA engine as its predictable on track and offers instant throttle response and sounds great too. You will need a chassis that can cope with the power and be composed without getting unsettled at higher speeds. You need to be able to control the traction when you want it or don't want it. Brakes, all Porsche's are designed to brake twice as fast as they accelerate so they always stop in half the time they take to get to 60mph. You want the brakes to modulate and not fade. Probably most importantly you want great steering, accurate with feedback and nice weighting (that's why you won't buy the Audi). I like a manual gearbox but I understand why people may want 2 pedals and some paddles so Its great to have the option and if you are that way inclined Porsche make the best dual clutch boxes.
All of the above has to work in harmony. Take a 981 GT4 or Spyder on track and its an awesome car, goes where you want it, accelerates when you want it to and stops perfectly. Every time, predictable and exciting. It gels together beautifully.
The new car appears to retain these core principles and hardly any new cars do. If you enjoy driving and engaging with your car I think this is one of only a handful of options. Stuff the 0-60 time, when you are over 5,000rpm in second and the engine is singing you won't care one bit about your mate and his TTRS that is quicker to 60.
If you really enjoy driving you will want an NA engine as its predictable on track and offers instant throttle response and sounds great too. You will need a chassis that can cope with the power and be composed without getting unsettled at higher speeds. You need to be able to control the traction when you want it or don't want it. Brakes, all Porsche's are designed to brake twice as fast as they accelerate so they always stop in half the time they take to get to 60mph. You want the brakes to modulate and not fade. Probably most importantly you want great steering, accurate with feedback and nice weighting (that's why you won't buy the Audi). I like a manual gearbox but I understand why people may want 2 pedals and some paddles so Its great to have the option and if you are that way inclined Porsche make the best dual clutch boxes.
All of the above has to work in harmony. Take a 981 GT4 or Spyder on track and its an awesome car, goes where you want it, accelerates when you want it to and stops perfectly. Every time, predictable and exciting. It gels together beautifully.
The new car appears to retain these core principles and hardly any new cars do. If you enjoy driving and engaging with your car I think this is one of only a handful of options. Stuff the 0-60 time, when you are over 5,000rpm in second and the engine is singing you won't care one bit about your mate and his TTRS that is quicker to 60.
I completely agree with Bispal above.
If you want pure driving pleasure I'm sure these will deliver. Porsche are known for being conservative with their 0-60 times but anything sub-5 is going to feel quick and once on the move these will be a very fast road car and more than capable on a track.
If availability and price were equal, I'm not sure if I'd have this or the 981 version based on the looks and small performance difference. I don't think the press photo colours are the best as the 981 GT4 in yellow doesn't do it for me, but in Sapphire or Miami Blue I am a big fan.
If you want pure driving pleasure I'm sure these will deliver. Porsche are known for being conservative with their 0-60 times but anything sub-5 is going to feel quick and once on the move these will be a very fast road car and more than capable on a track.
If availability and price were equal, I'm not sure if I'd have this or the 981 version based on the looks and small performance difference. I don't think the press photo colours are the best as the 981 GT4 in yellow doesn't do it for me, but in Sapphire or Miami Blue I am a big fan.
Harry_523 said:
spec done:
Spyder, Gentian Blue, Gloss Black wheels, Cruise control, Rear Parking sensors. 75.5k, and even with cash in the bank, no way to own one
Just out of interest why do you (and others) say that? Have you asked and they told you to do one? I appreciate that it isn't limited in volume albeit perhaps limited by how many Porsche can or want to build during the build period.Spyder, Gentian Blue, Gloss Black wheels, Cruise control, Rear Parking sensors. 75.5k, and even with cash in the bank, no way to own one
TX.
blueg33 said:
Great, a Porsche that interests me, but I won’t be allowed to buy one.
1. Tongue not brown enough
2. I don’t buy multiple Porsvhes a year because I’m a normal person
3. I’m not prepared to pay the prices the flippers charge
I am finding all the hype about fast Porsche’s pointless and irrelevant for the above reasons.
Plus , it must be bloody heavy because 0-60 in 4.4 for 420bhp isn’t great, Alpine do it with 300bhp and Lotus get the Evora 410 to 60mph in 3.9 with 410bhp.
To be fair to most if not all dealerships, each is given a quota of cars, to sell, and demand for all Porsches is such, that they often sell out their quota long before each dealership year has even started. Porsche were held up some years ago for allowing the equivalent of gazumping to go on at some of their dealerships, and now seem keen to ensure this does not happen again. So it is mainly just a case of getting in there as soon as possible, placing a firm order and deposit, and then just waiting until the car turns up.1. Tongue not brown enough
2. I don’t buy multiple Porsvhes a year because I’m a normal person
3. I’m not prepared to pay the prices the flippers charge
I am finding all the hype about fast Porsche’s pointless and irrelevant for the above reasons.
Plus , it must be bloody heavy because 0-60 in 4.4 for 420bhp isn’t great, Alpine do it with 300bhp and Lotus get the Evora 410 to 60mph in 3.9 with 410bhp.
Edited by blueg33 on Tuesday 18th June 07:58
SidewaysSi said:
Anyone can buy one but I wouldn't do it to make money in this market. I had the old one but found it a little dull so didn't order this one.
I hope you are not Sideways Sid as he said....????Sideways Sid
Published on May 29, 2018
"In this video. Its all about my Porsche Cayman GT4. I know its been mentioned quite a few times on this channel but it has to be reminded of how good/amazing it really is and why I’m so obsessed. It represents everything I love driving, the noise, engagement and sheer drama that not many Cars come close at this price bracket.
It's really well suited on the road then it is on the track, plus I reckon some manufactures can learn a thing or two about this Car rather than chasing lap times.
To me I think its one of the best drivers Cars ever"
Probably been said already, but this to me is looking like what the 911 of old used to be; good power, size, weight, and performance, and not costing stupid money.
Contrast that with the latest 911 c2, and they'll likely cost a shed load more, and not be as good to drive, along with being somewhat of a blimp. I saw a photo of the latest 911 alongside an early car, and was shocked at just how big they've become.
Contrast that with the latest 911 c2, and they'll likely cost a shed load more, and not be as good to drive, along with being somewhat of a blimp. I saw a photo of the latest 911 alongside an early car, and was shocked at just how big they've become.
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