RE: Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder unveiled
Discussion
thesmurfs said:
PDK version will be even heavier min 25kg.
Yes, unavoidable, which may very well be a contributing factor to why they haven't launched PDK at the outset - just too tricky to package the extra weight and performance differentials to the manual in terms of marketing/pricing etc and the inevitable comparisons to the manual-only 981.As a result I'd expect Porsche to introduce a small mid-series powerhike to counter, if/when they introduce PDK.
It may not be an overall peak powerhike, but subtler increases throughout certain rev ranges, trading off the better emissions performance a PDK can provide with a little release of power here and there.
Fascinating how whilst emissions issues have not entirely killed off the NA engine, they are really having an impact on NA sports car fundamentals (power, weight, sound).
Good on Porsche for sticking at it.
thesmurfs said:
PDK version will be even heavier min 25kg.
Other publications state the quoted weight is as standard, ie steel brakes, comfort seats etc, as car manufacturers can't have them with options added (ie carbon buckets & PCCB) - not that this would make a night & day difference. Davey S2 said:
CruiseGT said:
Helicopter123 said:
Just about the perfect pair of cars.
If only Porsche would make more of them!
Porsche will provide multiple production runs this time, so likely you can order one in similar fashion to conventional 992 Carrera's. If only Porsche would make more of them!
On launch day of the 981 GT4 all allocations were gone.
Porsche have geared up to produce as many of these as required - poor 718 sales, and escalating development costs to meet emissions regulations have had enormous influence on what engine has gone into this car, how little changes there actually are to the majority of the car, and what that all means in terms of being able to produce them.
This is a 718-based car afterall, we're not talking about an all new 992 model.
Tickle said:
GroundEffect said:
Bispal said:
tankplanker said:
Would love either, and could probably afford one if I swapped two cars for it, but I've got zero chance of getting on the list.
Hopefully this will knock a decent amount of the value of the previous GT4, but I suspect not as the 718 GT4 will be offered at a significant premium by the flippers so the old GT4 will still look good value even at today's prices.
I'd rather get an Evora or Exige now. Similar performance, similar driving dynamics but worse engine and cabin. Think I can live with that.
I have a 981 Spyder & Exige 430 CUP. They are in no way similar. The are both 2 of the best cars money can buy IMHO of owning 30+ sports & supercars. The Spyder is so well resolved, great to drive, amazing on road and track. The Exige is on another level though, McLaren acceleration (in gear), race car handing and 100% concentration to drive, its a real event! While on paper they seem similar in reality they are not really comparable. The Exige has a lovely engine, it sounds crazy with a sports exhaust. Chris Harris drove my car and said it was the best sounding car he had ever driven! Both are 5* cars but go about their business in different ways. Hopefully this will knock a decent amount of the value of the previous GT4, but I suspect not as the 718 GT4 will be offered at a significant premium by the flippers so the old GT4 will still look good value even at today's prices.
I'd rather get an Evora or Exige now. Similar performance, similar driving dynamics but worse engine and cabin. Think I can live with that.
Nerdherder said:
Bispal said:
SimonOcean said:
.. Having just driven 3,000 miles in 2 weeks in my Spyder around the South of Rance, Dolomites & Germany I never found the gearing too long. 2nd and 3rd most of the time in the alpine passes with a few 1st gear hairpins (easy with the rev match). The gearing is very well judged for the car IMHO.
Sounds like a pretty good time you’ve had! If you could write up a bit about this grand tour it would be much appreciated. Keeping tabs on the euro trips shared here to ‘spec’ my next adventure, probably Alps or Dolomites focused. 
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For the 991's I agree Porsche have met the requirements by seemingly improving their engine performance and related exhaust systems, which is why its surprising that the same hasn't been achieved with the 718 GT4. The exhaust is now heavier (around 12kg) compared to the 981 system and Porsche has also introduced auto start/stop which requires a larger battery and larger starter motor, all of which is assumed to have caused/contributed to the weight increase of somewhere in the range 30kg-80kg (depending on specification), but either way it is still heavier as a result. And at 414bhp from 4.0L its not setting any new specific output benchmarks of its own.
So power, weight, sound, all three either not having moved the game on, or moving in the wrong direction (for car enthusiasts anyway, albeit in the right direction for the environment), and all due to stricter emission regulations.
Just put my name down for one at my local OPC. No harm I guess?
He did seem hopeful but of course I’ve not got my hopes high considering the popularity of these cars. Unlikely I’ll get an allocation do you think or is there hope?
I’d imagine most will come in close to 100k with options.
He did seem hopeful but of course I’ve not got my hopes high considering the popularity of these cars. Unlikely I’ll get an allocation do you think or is there hope?
I’d imagine most will come in close to 100k with options.
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You will get the inevitable journalist comments on first drive that will state either "the midrange is a little improved due to the increase in engine size" or "its a little more urgent/gruntier from down low" or even "you can feel the extra power over the old GT4 in x or y situation" but in reality even comparing them back to back there will be little difference between the two.
However:
- They will almost certainly sound different with the OPF on the 718. Only personal views can determine which is better.
- The 718 will have a significant increase in downforce - which you will probably only feel over 80mph or on a track.
- Porsche will have improved the handling on the 718 - by how much will remain to be seen on first drive as the 981 is one of the best handling cars ever made.
- The interior will be an even nicer place to sit
- The 718 looks fresh with the new wheels - but the 981 counters with the best rear/exhaust
Anyone who buys a 981 will definitely not feel shortchanged driving/owning one over the next 5 years. That said - if you want an "in the main" incrementally improved car - the 718 will also (i'm hoping) be sublime as well.
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Crumbs, well when you put it like that, I can’t disagree, great points. Rather a lot of turbo Porsche cars though now generally of course, and Porsche really having to push the envelope with what is possible with NA - how long can it last, and long may it do so.
I do fear that’s some of ‘the howl has gone’ - but you’re right, let’s see once people start getting to test these.
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