RE: North American Harvard | PH Heroes
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Car-Matt said:
Plenty of flying hours left on current ones, as said the only thing Stopping it using those hours is being CAA registered as they demand OEM support, their are third parties who can support the rundown of its remaining hours but it’s not allowed under CAA rules, however it could be legally operated by RAF.
Probably best it doesn’t but the fact is only paperwork has stopped it using up its remaining flying hours.
God bless Sir Jack
In theory the RAF wouldn't come under the CAA's remit, but in the new world of military MAA rules it would probably be just as difficult to get certificated.Probably best it doesn’t but the fact is only paperwork has stopped it using up its remaining flying hours.
God bless Sir Jack
I thought there were huge problems with the (now disbanded) Royal Navy Historic Flight getting their Sea Fury FB11 certified under military rules. It hasn't flown for years.
I recall that Rolls Royce had extended their support for the Olympus engines once already, down to careful monitoring and use of engine cycles, but it was just that they could no longer support an ageing engine from a spares, tooling, personnel with experience and safety perspective.
The airframe was also getting towards the end of it's known safe fatigue life as well.
anonymous said:
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Correct. And yes, the MMA situation would mean even more red tape than CAA, and still require RR support, which wouldn't be forthcoming.
And yes, that's why the RHNF aircraft have now all been transferred from RN military ownership over to the civil reg and into the Navy Wings trust ownership.
The RHNF was officially stood down as an military entity on 31st March 2019
AlexiusG55 said:
anonymous said:
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I think the MAA is the reason why Martin-Baker's Gloster Meteors (used for ejection seat testing) had to be transferred from military to civil registry recently. Before then they were the oldest military registered jets flying anywhere in the world.
Excellent article, I would love to go up in one some day.
Compton Abbas airfield in Dorset have one of these that they use for experience flights, and when not in the air it's parked about 10 metres from the restaurant's outdoor seating area so you can have a good ogle (and take in the views from the airfield) while you're there
Compton Abbas airfield in Dorset have one of these that they use for experience flights, and when not in the air it's parked about 10 metres from the restaurant's outdoor seating area so you can have a good ogle (and take in the views from the airfield) while you're there
Zippee said:
I am so jealous. My grandad was a flying instructor during ww2 and taught many a young pilot to fly in one of these. He was based in Canada for the duration and was always really fond of the T6...
Perhaps he taught my dad! He did his basic training on Harvards in Canada in WW2 before deploying as a carrier pilot on North Atlantic convoy escorts. I seem to remember him saying they used a frozen lake as a makeshift airfield at one point!? He always had a lot of fondness for Canada and Canadians due to the time he spent there. Fond memories tinged with sadness, though, as he lost his best mate at the time who crashed into a forest during night exercises. He always wanted to go back to where he was stationed but never did, unfortunately.
If you have £4.5k spare you can do the package deal at Headcorn in Kent .
Tiger Moth , Harvard and two seat Spitfire.
They also do experience stuff and photography trips up in the Harvard to photograph a spitfire in flight .
We often see them together when visiting The Battle of Britain memorial as they tend to fly over when doing flights and to pay respect .
They did so just as we scattered my parents ashes at the memorial, which was the perfect end to an emotional day .
Just need a lottery win and to shed a few kilos, okay a lot of kilos .
Tiger Moth , Harvard and two seat Spitfire.
They also do experience stuff and photography trips up in the Harvard to photograph a spitfire in flight .
We often see them together when visiting The Battle of Britain memorial as they tend to fly over when doing flights and to pay respect .
They did so just as we scattered my parents ashes at the memorial, which was the perfect end to an emotional day .
Just need a lottery win and to shed a few kilos, okay a lot of kilos .
drcarrera said:
Zippee said:
I am so jealous. My grandad was a flying instructor during ww2 and taught many a young pilot to fly in one of these. He was based in Canada for the duration and was always really fond of the T6...
Perhaps he taught my dad! He did his basic training on Harvards in Canada in WW2 before deploying as a carrier pilot on North Atlantic convoy escorts. I seem to remember him saying they used a frozen lake as a makeshift airfield at one point!? He always had a lot of fondness for Canada and Canadians due to the time he spent there. Fond memories tinged with sadness, though, as he lost his best mate at the time who crashed into a forest during night exercises. He always wanted to go back to where he was stationed but never did, unfortunately.
drcarrera said:
Zippee said:
I am so jealous. My grandad was a flying instructor during ww2 and taught many a young pilot to fly in one of these. He was based in Canada for the duration and was always really fond of the T6...
Perhaps he taught my dad! He did his basic training on Harvards in Canada in WW2 before deploying as a carrier pilot on North Atlantic convoy escorts. I seem to remember him saying they used a frozen lake as a makeshift airfield at one point!? He always had a lot of fondness for Canada and Canadians due to the time he spent there. Fond memories tinged with sadness, though, as he lost his best mate at the time who crashed into a forest during night exercises. He always wanted to go back to where he was stationed but never did, unfortunately.
Jex said:
drcarrera said:
Zippee said:
I am so jealous. My grandad was a flying instructor during ww2 and taught many a young pilot to fly in one of these. He was based in Canada for the duration and was always really fond of the T6...
Perhaps he taught my dad! He did his basic training on Harvards in Canada in WW2 before deploying as a carrier pilot on North Atlantic convoy escorts. I seem to remember him saying they used a frozen lake as a makeshift airfield at one point!? He always had a lot of fondness for Canada and Canadians due to the time he spent there. Fond memories tinged with sadness, though, as he lost his best mate at the time who crashed into a forest during night exercises. He always wanted to go back to where he was stationed but never did, unfortunately.
Zippee said:
Jex said:
drcarrera said:
Zippee said:
I am so jealous. My grandad was a flying instructor during ww2 and taught many a young pilot to fly in one of these. He was based in Canada for the duration and was always really fond of the T6...
Perhaps he taught my dad! He did his basic training on Harvards in Canada in WW2 before deploying as a carrier pilot on North Atlantic convoy escorts. I seem to remember him saying they used a frozen lake as a makeshift airfield at one point!? He always had a lot of fondness for Canada and Canadians due to the time he spent there. Fond memories tinged with sadness, though, as he lost his best mate at the time who crashed into a forest during night exercises. He always wanted to go back to where he was stationed but never did, unfortunately.
In answer to another post, my dad trained on a Moth first.
I had the privilege of taking a 1942 Harvard up on my 40th birthday, from the Warbirds Museum and Collection at Kissimmee Florida. I hasten to add, I am not a pilot and the owner of the plane did all the hard stuff - as pointed out you can't see the runway while taking off (!), but I did take the controls on a trip over Disney World and the surrounding area.
The pilot-owner flew P51D's in Korea and early on during the Vietnam war and he was a fantastic guy with great stories. It showed me how physically tiring it was to fly/concentrate/have a 360 degree view and what amazing skills these guys had to combine fighting in the air and handling the aircraft at the same time. Total respect.
The pilot-owner flew P51D's in Korea and early on during the Vietnam war and he was a fantastic guy with great stories. It showed me how physically tiring it was to fly/concentrate/have a 360 degree view and what amazing skills these guys had to combine fighting in the air and handling the aircraft at the same time. Total respect.
ragspeed said:
I had the privilege of taking a 1942 Harvard up on my 40th birthday, from the Warbirds Museum and Collection at Kissimmee Florida. I hasten to add, I am not a pilot and the owner of the plane did all the hard stuff - as pointed out you can't see the runway while taking off (!), but I did take the controls on a trip over Disney World and the surrounding area.
The pilot-owner flew P51D's in Korea and early on during the Vietnam war and he was a fantastic guy with great stories. It showed me how physically tiring it was to fly/concentrate/have a 360 degree view and what amazing skills these guys had to combine fighting in the air and handling the aircraft at the same time. Total respect.
Bit missing here, what did he fly in Vietnam?The pilot-owner flew P51D's in Korea and early on during the Vietnam war and he was a fantastic guy with great stories. It showed me how physically tiring it was to fly/concentrate/have a 360 degree view and what amazing skills these guys had to combine fighting in the air and handling the aircraft at the same time. Total respect.
My Brother and I got some hours on Harvards, and they are a delight to fly, what surprised me most about them however, was how they come down once the throttle is closed,
On a glide approach my instructor asked me to hold circuit height until I turned onto the approach, and then cut the throttle as soon as I was sure we would be able to get in, Turns out I was significantly premature, and without adding power would have come down a long, long way short of the threshold, On each subsequent approach, I held off shutting the throttle until at the end I was directly above the downwind threshold, and it still got in with ease.
On a glide approach my instructor asked me to hold circuit height until I turned onto the approach, and then cut the throttle as soon as I was sure we would be able to get in, Turns out I was significantly premature, and without adding power would have come down a long, long way short of the threshold, On each subsequent approach, I held off shutting the throttle until at the end I was directly above the downwind threshold, and it still got in with ease.
Harvards are tricky little sods, they've got a vicious stall (rather like the Tiger Moth, and most de Havilland products, in that respect), and the rudder is hopelessly inadequate (again, like most DHs) so they have a tendency to spin, and getting them out of the spin is interesting...
RoverP6B said:
Harvards are tricky little sods, they've got a vicious stall (rather like the Tiger Moth, and most de Havilland products, in that respect), and the rudder is hopelessly inadequate (again, like most DHs) so they have a tendency to spin, and getting them out of the spin is interesting...
After spin strakes were fitted to Chipmunks, it became a little easier to get them out of a spin, but before this, one method for getting them out of a flat spin, was for the pilot to open the canopy, and stand up in the cockpit. Not something I would feel comfortable doing.... ever The Harvard whilst having a decent rate of climb for a relatively heavy single radial aircraft could be described as being the opposite of those aircraft that some have described as home sick angels.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Sunday 30th June 11:14
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