RE: Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted
Discussion
BadBull said:
I was clearly querying your continued questioning of the price.
Why are you avoiding that and instead talking about the interior?
Because it’s dropped to £7.9k already in autotrader a 21% drop in no time. Why are you avoiding that and instead talking about the interior?
A CL500 57 reg black on 57reg is the identical price on Autotrader that’s a what - £120+k car when new engine unburstable and look at it a true icon.
More or less same age
Identical miles
Identical price
Worlds apart.
But if you like it get it - it is nice having alternative options
Perhaps you should get yourself on the Mk 1 Golf Spotted thread and regale us all with tales of what your £29k could buy instead of a ageing VW hatchback.
I wonder how many people would have both a CL500 and a 9-3 on the same potential purchases list when looking for a car. I could probably count the number on Jaime Lannister's right hand.
I wonder how many people would have both a CL500 and a 9-3 on the same potential purchases list when looking for a car. I could probably count the number on Jaime Lannister's right hand.
jagnet said:
Perhaps you should get yourself on the Mk 1 Golf Spotted thread and regale us all with tales of what your £29k could buy instead of a ageing VW hatchback.
I wonder how many people would have both a CL500 and a 9-3 on the same potential purchases list when looking for a car. I could probably count the number on Jaime Lannister's right hand.
There is nothing wrong with options. I wonder how many people would have both a CL500 and a 9-3 on the same potential purchases list when looking for a car. I could probably count the number on Jaime Lannister's right hand.
This is a “assumed” classic car so if someone has up to £10k to spend on a classic that seats 4 adults has a bit of poke about it and good looks etc timeless appearance not lose much £ then you widen the search criteria. I doubt there are many classic car collectors looking specifically for this model whereas say you always dreamed of a Lotus Carlton your search would be Lotus Carlton - even if people flagged ahem F355/F430 similar £ its the car you’d want.
I’d say a classic car buyer for Saab would go 900 Turbo and soft top probably with the coupe second choice marginally that’s a proper Saab at its very best (I think we all agree here).
As for the Mk1 GTI £28k that’s an iconic car I’ve driven a couple good fun too - again you’d have to be a real passionate collector however if you found a tiny miles version and it’s legacy of change to the motoring industry it’s probably worth a punt and one to increase in value - this Saab will not ever increase in value.
Welshbeef said:
BadBull said:
Didn't you query the price enough yesterday?
Why do it again today?
Interior looks identical to the diesel model the 1.9 (is it a fiat power unit?)Why do it again today?
The 1.9 is the Fiat JTD, but with a completely different mapping.
I've driven a 9-3 AWD with the twin turbo version and that was surprisingly rapid.
Hope Welshbeef has had his calmers before he sees this - https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1101273
MDMA . said:
Hope Welshbeef has had his calmers before he sees this - https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1101273
I’ve got these all saved in Autocar now so we will see just how desirable they are how many weeks and if price changes. Hopefully I’m wrong but it doesn’t look like anyone on this thread is biting to buy it apart from a passing interest and memories of the 9000 Carlsson which is an utterly different beastWelshbeef said:
As for the Mk1 GTI £28k that’s an iconic car I’ve driven a couple good fun too - again you’d have to be a real passionate collector however if you found a tiny miles version and it’s legacy of change to the motoring industry it’s probably worth a punt and one to increase in value - this Saab will not ever increase in value.
Given that you can buy a Morris Marina for more than this Carlsson if you want to (and I don't recall that ever being iconic, a fun drive or representative of a change to the motoring industry) I wouldn't ever want to point to a car and categorically state that it won't increase in value.Welshbeef said:
... we will see just how desirable they are how many weeks and if price changes.
Because that's how volatile the (classic) car market is? You're not coming across well at all, with the Mercedes CL being another preposterous comparison to make. Why not list every car at £7900 on Autotrader, and pick out the most exotic 50 or so - or is that what you're slowly doing? Or is it that you're not happy with the depreciation your BMW has suffered and you think it should surely be worth more than a defunct brand's same-age unicorn?I put the word 'classic' up there in brackets on purpose, as the 9-3 SS isn't a classic. As someone put it yesterday, it's PH Spotted, it's a rare car, priced OK at £10k (even better at £8k) - and whilst I'm on that subject, you mention it has already dropped £2k... I disagree. The Autotrader price is a realistic one, and given how new the ad is, it more than likely started out at £8k on there. Don't expect it to be £5k by Monday morning.
Yes, the 1.9 units are Fiat derived; Saab was forced to use them (and the 2.2DTH earlier) by GM, who saw the market opportunity. Your point being what exactly?
wormus said:
Misses the point completely. Saabs are still loved by a loyal following and to somebody this will be worth buying. A diesel BMW on the other hand holds little interest to anyone.
I scalped a new diesel 1 series this morning, it was in washing machine white livery. I was in my old 9-5 shed. Man in BMW wasn’t happy that he couldn’t keep up with my superior machine.
Ooh you beat a cheap version of the cheapest car in the range - soooooo superior. I scalped a new diesel 1 series this morning, it was in washing machine white livery. I was in my old 9-5 shed. Man in BMW wasn’t happy that he couldn’t keep up with my superior machine.
Edited by wormus on Thursday 20th June 08:02
Try it with a 130, 135 or 140i - or get your balls out and try it with a 1M
Then see who has the "superior machine"
PHMatt said:
Ooh you beat a cheap version of the cheapest car in the range - soooooo superior.
Try it with a 130, 135 or 140i - or get your balls out and try it with a 1M
Then see who has the "superior machine"
Tbh I was assuming it was a diesel but it didn’t get close enough for me to see and I’m feeling generous. He certainly thought it was fast like most of the small, angry men who drive these things. And he was wrong.Try it with a 130, 135 or 140i - or get your balls out and try it with a 1M
Then see who has the "superior machine"
I also own an old Vauxhall which eats 1Ms for breakfast so don’t come on here waving your lease agreements about.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 21st June 13:09
wormus said:
PHMatt said:
Ooh you beat a cheap version of the cheapest car in the range - soooooo superior.
Try it with a 130, 135 or 140i - or get your balls out and try it with a 1M
Then see who has the "superior machine"
Tbh I was assuming it was a diesel but it didn’t get close enough for me to see and I’m feeling generous. He certainly thought it was fast like most of the small, angry men who drive these things. And he was wrong.Try it with a 130, 135 or 140i - or get your balls out and try it with a 1M
Then see who has the "superior machine"
I also own an old Vauxhall which eats 1Ms for breakfast so don’t come on here waving your lease agreements about.
Edited by wormus on Friday 21st June 13:09
t. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops. You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
PHMatt said:
Bullst. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops.
You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
Amazing isn’t it a M135/140 I will eat a Lotus Carlton for breakfast. A factory standard one at that. t. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops. You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
Both can be modified too but the LC still doesn’t win.
I’d take a LC every single time over any modern Hyper hatch though. I was luckily enough to see these when they first came out and it blew everything out of he park a “Carlton” dusting down a Tessterossa mind boggles. Good old VX and Lotus.
PHMatt said:
Bullst. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops.
You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
1M is a weedy shopping trolley compared to any car with a decently sized engine. 330hp isn’t anything to get excited about.t. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops. You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
wormus said:
PHMatt said:
Bullst. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops.
You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
1M is a weedy shopping trolley compared to any car with a decently sized engine. 330hp isn’t anything to get excited about.t. The only "old vauxhalls" that would get near a 1M is a Lotus Carlton or something so heavily modded it's blowing transfer boxes up between fuel stops. You're living in lala anti-BMW land.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Saab-9-3-turbo-x-2-8-v6...
I had a 9-5 Vector Estate I ran as a shed for a while (literally I stored my bike and tools in it), I hammered the poor thing everywhere. I sold it with no MOT, covered in tree sap for the price I paid for it. It was a quirky old hearse.
The one in the link above though is weirdly tempting.
I had a 9-5 Vector Estate I ran as a shed for a while (literally I stored my bike and tools in it), I hammered the poor thing everywhere. I sold it with no MOT, covered in tree sap for the price I paid for it. It was a quirky old hearse.
The one in the link above though is weirdly tempting.
BadBull said:
Welshbeef said:
I’ve got these all saved in Autocar now so we will see just how desirable they are how many weeks and if price changes.
You seem rather odd.
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