RE: Audi RS5 Sportback Sport Edition | Driven
Discussion
FWDRacer said:
Bloated overwrought garbage that the market has an insatiable appetite for. It'll be a marketeers success story/numbers wet dream but I can't see anyone looking back fondly in 20 years and calling it an icon or game changer.
Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
This, from a man driving a diesel XF?Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
JohndoePH said:
I've also got an S5, unless you want to risk loosing your license every day you can't use all of the performance most of the time on the public highway anyway... As an everyday car (especially if you have to cover any sort of distances regularly) it is a brilliant machine.
Totally agree.Shiv_P said:
FWDRacer said:
Bloated overwrought garbage that the market has an insatiable appetite for. It'll be a marketeers success story/numbers wet dream but I can't see anyone looking back fondly in 20 years and calling it an icon or game changer.
Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
Well apart fromAudi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
C6 RS6 - reviewed as too heavy etc but a twin turbo V10 with massive tuning potential meant owners loved them
C7 RS6 - fantastic
Mk2 R8 V10 - fantastic
RS3/TTRS - one of the best sounding set of cars on sale
C6 S6 - V10
D3 S8 - V10 - Ronin - loved
Shuthan_S5 said:
JohndoePH said:
I've also got an S5, unless you want to risk loosing your license every day you can't use all of the performance most of the time on the public highway anyway... As an everyday car (especially if you have to cover any sort of distances regularly) it is a brilliant machine.
Totally agree.I keep wondering where all this 'lairy' driving goes on outside a track. Where the so called benefits of on the limit handling appear to be so important when passing judgment on a car.
Whilst important to some, outright on the limit performace when cornering for example is not very high on my agenda for public roads. Power and traction are given our predominantly soggy climate and my limited driving abilities. I find these cars a far better all round proposition than a skittish power back TC high power RWD car.
In summary, I don't find these quick blast high loonery tests much use. Long term tests covering wider aspects of ownership are way more useful to a potential buyer.
Helicopter123 said:
FWDRacer said:
Bloated overwrought garbage that the market has an insatiable appetite for. It'll be a marketeers success story/numbers wet dream but I can't see anyone looking back fondly in 20 years and calling it an icon or game changer.
Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
This, from a man driving a diesel XF?Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
Nors said:
Shuthan_S5 said:
JohndoePH said:
I've also got an S5, unless you want to risk loosing your license every day you can't use all of the performance most of the time on the public highway anyway... As an everyday car (especially if you have to cover any sort of distances regularly) it is a brilliant machine.
Totally agree.I keep wondering where all this 'lairy' driving goes on outside a track. Where the so called benefits of on the limit handling appear to be so important when passing judgment on a car.
Whilst important to some, outright on the limit performace when cornering for example is not very high on my agenda for public roads. Power and traction are given our predominantly soggy climate and my limited driving abilities. I find these cars a far better all round proposition than a skittish power back TC high power RWD car.
In summary, I don't find these quick blast high loonery tests much use. Long term tests covering wider aspects of ownership are way more useful to a potential buyer.
The article was pretty damming of the car's poor steering which is at least as much of an issue for me.
SidewaysSi said:
Don't want to get into yet another "RWD vs the others" conversation but it is has far more to do than "on the limit performance".
The article was pretty damming of the car's poor steering which is at least as much of an issue for me.
I can't speak for the RS but again as an everyday car my S5's steering is fine. It isn't very communicative which is the common criticism but it is light and most importantly easy to use every day. Given the shear amount of grip available i've never found it to be a problem.The article was pretty damming of the car's poor steering which is at least as much of an issue for me.
I agree with a lot of the observations about these cars but I don't think this makes them 'bad'. I look forward to getting in to mine at the end of a work day. If traffic is terrible it is easy to drive, comfortable and has all the tech you could want. If the opportunity exists it is as rapid as you could want on a public road, overtakes anything in the blink of an eye etc etc.
If you want something more direct/fun/pure go for a Lotus or something that removes a lot of the electronic tinkering with driver input that takes place in most modern cars.
JohndoePH said:
I agree with a lot of the observations about these cars but I don't think this makes them 'bad'. I look forward to getting in to mine at the end of a work day. If traffic is terrible it is easy to drive, comfortable and has all the tech you could want.
I agree and it doesn't make them bad at all, I think the on paper credentials get you quite excited but the actual drive doesn't live up to those expectations. The Audi TTS I had was lovely to live with/sit in/look at for me, but as an actual driving experience it left me wanting. Audi make the best looking cars(for me) out of the German big three and also the best interiors(for me), and I always lust after the S and RS models. I just get frustrated that they don't live up to my expectations driving wise though.
cerb4.5lee said:
JohndoePH said:
I agree with a lot of the observations about these cars but I don't think this makes them 'bad'. I look forward to getting in to mine at the end of a work day. If traffic is terrible it is easy to drive, comfortable and has all the tech you could want.
I agree and it doesn't make them bad at all, I think the on paper credentials get you quite excited but the actual drive doesn't live up to those expectations. The Audi TTS I had was lovely to live with/sit in/look at for me, but as an actual driving experience it left me wanting. Audi make the best looking cars(for me) out of the German big three and also the best interiors(for me), and I always lust after the S and RS models. I just get frustrated that they don't live up to my expectations driving wise though.
The target market for this will lap it up. I had the pleasure of driving one of these in the US and it was pretty special. Granted, much of the driving here is straight road snooze-fest but the suspension; in particular the low speed damping and rebound is something to behold, especially when considering the performance on tap and 20 inch wheels.. My 2011 M3 suspension like feels that of a GT3RS in comparison.
The engine however, not quite there IMHO. Sounds OK, but not exciting in the way that an RS car perhaps should. Still, I doubt many buyer will care, and as it's a lovely way to travel at speed. I'd absolutely take one as a daily but the next 4 seater thing hitting our garage will likely be a Porsche Taycan once the hype has died down (and some depreciation set in
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The engine however, not quite there IMHO. Sounds OK, but not exciting in the way that an RS car perhaps should. Still, I doubt many buyer will care, and as it's a lovely way to travel at speed. I'd absolutely take one as a daily but the next 4 seater thing hitting our garage will likely be a Porsche Taycan once the hype has died down (and some depreciation set in
)SidewaysSi said:
Shiv_P said:
FWDRacer said:
Bloated overwrought garbage that the market has an insatiable appetite for. It'll be a marketeers success story/numbers wet dream but I can't see anyone looking back fondly in 20 years and calling it an icon or game changer.
Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
Well apart fromAudi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
C6 RS6 - reviewed as too heavy etc but a twin turbo V10 with massive tuning potential meant owners loved them
C7 RS6 - fantastic
Mk2 R8 V10 - fantastic
RS3/TTRS - one of the best sounding set of cars on sale
C6 S6 - V10
D3 S8 - V10 - Ronin - loved
Wills2 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Shiv_P said:
FWDRacer said:
Bloated overwrought garbage that the market has an insatiable appetite for. It'll be a marketeers success story/numbers wet dream but I can't see anyone looking back fondly in 20 years and calling it an icon or game changer.
Audi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
Well apart fromAudi peaked at the original V8 RS4/Mk1 TT/Mk1 R8 and haven't contributed anything really significant into the performance car gene pool since.
C6 RS6 - reviewed as too heavy etc but a twin turbo V10 with massive tuning potential meant owners loved them
C7 RS6 - fantastic
Mk2 R8 V10 - fantastic
RS3/TTRS - one of the best sounding set of cars on sale
C6 S6 - V10
D3 S8 - V10 - Ronin - loved
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