RE: McLaren 600LT Spider | PH Video
Discussion
RSbandit said:
Anyone who does that and claims the 16kg weight saving of having no AC or radio is noticeable is talking through their derriere...not having AC in the summer would be unbearable.
There’s no way anyone would notice that much weight saving alone, it’s around 1% of the weight of car, fuel and driver. Oh, and in this model the roof adds 50kg, but everyone who’s driven it says they can’t notice that! Possibly the factory pro driver might be able to save a tenth of a second or two, on a two minute lap, but a lot of other factors also feed in to that lap time.
The big differentiator between McLaren’s version of a track special and the Italians, is that the 600LT is a perfectly useable daily driver. If you’re going to start deleting the air con and stereo (what’s next, the passenger seat?), you might as well go the whole hog as others have suggested and buy a GT3 racer (or that new Ultima from the other week).
Personally, if I were on the lookout for an ultimate track weapon for the adrenaline rush I’d just go with an F3 car - cheaper and much faster than all of the above, especially on the days when you run out of skill.
jasdun said:
That road is a beautiful, peaceful part of the world, and the people who live on it are f*****g sick of pin-dicks using it as a racetrack.
And yes, I *am* trying to spoil their fun, because spoiling other people’s fun is exactly what some owners of these cars are doing to the pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in that area, who now feel the road is too unsafe to enjoy. Well done PH for promoting it as a destination.
Take it to the track.
Take it up with the local council (or whatever the correct office for this kind of complaint is in the UK). We can’t do anything about the situation except take our sportscars there to contribute to your annoyance.And yes, I *am* trying to spoil their fun, because spoiling other people’s fun is exactly what some owners of these cars are doing to the pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in that area, who now feel the road is too unsafe to enjoy. Well done PH for promoting it as a destination.
Take it to the track.
gigglebug said:
He is right though to be fair. Imagine not having aircon in the summer in a convertible, what on earth could you possibly do to cool the cabin??
Might not always be able to drop the roof but in my experience in non convertible cars anything over low 20s and it gets uncomfortable without AC...mid high teens is fairly livable without RSbandit said:
gigglebug said:
He is right though to be fair. Imagine not having aircon in the summer in a convertible, what on earth could you possibly do to cool the cabin??
Might not always be able to drop the roof but in my experience in non convertible cars anything over low 20s and it gets uncomfortable without AC...mid high teens is fairly livable without Edited by gigglebug on Sunday 23 June 13:48
Simon Owen said:
Ha to clarify we were not driving the 570s, it was just part of the group. I've never owned one but having spent several days with it in the group I could just see it frustrating me to bits on UK blacktop.
I'm not in any way saying it's a bad car, it's ace, it's just that it's attributes limit its use on the road .... and massively so in the UK. Funny thing is this is supposed to be the most useable 'supercar' so God knows what all the others are like ?!?!
The clearance issue is the front splitter, it's not silly low but it projects so far from the front axle that it just scraped all the bloody time. Probably not doing any damage but not a nice sound !!!!
My splitter often scrapes on the latest type of speed bumps - sounds terrible - but that’s what it’s there for and the LT has a front lifter as well doesn’t it? I'm not in any way saying it's a bad car, it's ace, it's just that it's attributes limit its use on the road .... and massively so in the UK. Funny thing is this is supposed to be the most useable 'supercar' so God knows what all the others are like ?!?!
The clearance issue is the front splitter, it's not silly low but it projects so far from the front axle that it just scraped all the bloody time. Probably not doing any damage but not a nice sound !!!!
Edited by Simon Owen on Saturday 22 June 23:28
RSbandit said:
Anyone who does that and claims the 16kg weight saving of having no AC or radio is noticeable is talking through their derriere...not having AC in the summer would be unbearable.
I removed the air con in my old car and you could feel the lower mass in the front end. I wouldn't spec air con now if it was an option.Pooh said:
I am sure I would love driving one but I could not buy one because they are so hideously ugly, I know looks aren’t everything but if I am spending that sort of money on a car, I want it to look stunning.
Absolutely this, that is really a very ugly car. And if it drives like the last McLaren I drove, it'll be very fast, but sound utterly dreadful, and have an interior which would be shamed by a kit car. I had a Metro once, and that had an interior with less rattles - and it was 6 years old at that point.had ham said:
Absolutely this, that is really a very ugly car. And if it drives like the last McLaren I drove, it'll be very fast, but sound utterly dreadful, and have an interior which would be shamed by a kit car. I had a Metro once, and that had an interior with less rattles - and it was 6 years old at that point.
To my eyes it looks stunning.And your metro must have been a lot better than my nan’s used to be!
I thought it sounded excellent in the video. They’re definitely improving the sound, which I think is the cars only real weak point.
I was thinking 570 but this seems pretty special.
dandare said:
I had to turn the sound off because it sounds like a parody of Chris harris. While Harris' narration was something fairly unique and refreshing at the time, this goes to ridiculous. Painful,
Nice car, though.
I can’t agree with you less on that - I think it’s terrrific throughout. Mr Harris is fantastic but Dan manages to make it feel a bit more low key, as though he’s a knowledgeable friend who is talking to me personally about the car. He manages to have passion without being over dramatic to camera.Nice car, though.
I know these new Mclarens are competent and even engaging to drive but for some reason they just don't spark my emotion much. Likewise I've been pretty much indifferent to any fezzas for my whole life. It may be down to the fact both of these brands appeal to more or less the same crowd many (but not all) of whom are attention seeking... Don't be mad Mclaren fans as I think Mclarens at least have more substance.
Well it seems some of the locals enjoyed it being up on Beachy Head:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastbournian/perma...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastbournian/perma...
jasdun said:
That road is a beautiful, peaceful part of the world, and the people who live on it are f*****g sick of pin-dicks using it as a racetrack.
And yes, I *am* trying to spoil their fun, because spoiling other people’s fun is exactly what some owners of these cars are doing to the pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in that area, who now feel the road is too unsafe to enjoy. Well done PH for promoting it as a destination.
Take it to the track.
Not a single person or animal in the entire clip other than the driver. Not even any other cars. Yep danger danger, think of the children. And yes, I *am* trying to spoil their fun, because spoiling other people’s fun is exactly what some owners of these cars are doing to the pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in that area, who now feel the road is too unsafe to enjoy. Well done PH for promoting it as a destination.
Take it to the track.
TX.
jasdun said:
That road is a beautiful, peaceful part of the world, and the people who live on it are f*****g sick of pin-dicks using it as a racetrack.
And yes, I *am* trying to spoil their fun, because spoiling other people’s fun is exactly what some owners of these cars are doing to the pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in that area, who now feel the road is too unsafe to enjoy. Well done PH for promoting it as a destination.
Take it to the track.
yawn - nought wrong with driving in a spirited manner on the public road so long as you use your brain....And yes, I *am* trying to spoil their fun, because spoiling other people’s fun is exactly what some owners of these cars are doing to the pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in that area, who now feel the road is too unsafe to enjoy. Well done PH for promoting it as a destination.
Take it to the track.
BarcelonaLewis said:
gigglebug said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
Back on the horsey theme.. It is madness letting horses use these roads today. I was doing under the (national) speed limit on a very, very windy, undulating costal road this afternoon and saw horse pooh round a blind corner, and just thought - this would have been disastrous for car, beast and rider had timings been different.
And what if it had been a hypothetical vehicle stationary in the road as oppose to a hypothetical horse having a poo that you may have encountered around this blind corner, would you have just crashed into that too? This merely sounds like a case of you not being in the position to be able to stop in time if you had encountered a hazard in the road whilst navigating a blind corner, which suggests nothing more than you not driving to the road conditions, as oppose to a hypothetical horse and rider getting lucky. My one experience ponytrekking (accompanying a 12 year old sister many years ago) ended in the group of 8 or 9 horses all bolting after a train passed over the bridge which we were going over. Kids thrown off, ponies careering at full pelt down a windy lane for several hundred yards. Luckily nobody was seriously injured, but it could easily have been very serious.
I have had a vastly more unfortunate experience where a person on a motorbike killed himself by taking a blind corner too fast and hit the vehicle I was driving in the opposite direction. He left behind a wife and two young children, me and my passenger were only saved by an exceptional set of circumstances. Do I now assume that every man on a motorbike is going to present an immediate and instant danger to myself and drive into me? No I do not.
You did however originally state that "this would have been disastrous for car, beast and rider had timings been different." suggesting nothing other than a belief that if the horse had of been there at the same time as yourself that you would have hit it. Or are you suggesting that the horse would have hit you?
Again I'll reiterate that if you were going too fast around a blind corner to have reacted to anything you found around that blind corner then it is only your own driving that you have called into question.
Edited by gigglebug on Saturday 29th June 11:54
I'm sure it's fantastic to drive and sounds better than an MP4-12C, but McLaren's entire range has been far too similar-looking for too long now. It's bordering on lazy design.
And why can't they make a proper front-engine/rwd GT rival to the Ferrari 812? Why does even their 'GT' cars have to be a mid-engined copy-and-paste with the same turbocharged V8 in slightly different state of tune.
Do the bean-counters have that much influence over the cars they offer?
As a Brit, I want McLaren to be hugely successful but god they make it hard work.
And why can't they make a proper front-engine/rwd GT rival to the Ferrari 812? Why does even their 'GT' cars have to be a mid-engined copy-and-paste with the same turbocharged V8 in slightly different state of tune.
Do the bean-counters have that much influence over the cars they offer?
As a Brit, I want McLaren to be hugely successful but god they make it hard work.
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