RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender leaked (sort of)
Discussion
skyrover said:
NomduJour said:
skyrover said:
Tupperware is great... but not to drive.
As much as I like old Land Rovers, let’s not pretend that they are anything but woeful to drive by objective standards. So will this one, but it's not the same job. And it will still break down... a lot.
And the old Defender was built to cater for the roads and market of 1950 and this new Defender is exactly the same, built for the roads and market of 2020.
Plus, there is such a good aftermarket industry both here and in the US that if lots of farmers who cannot afford a tractors want to use one of these as a farm vehicle then they will be able to buy all the ads on kit.
The original defender was built to be a rugged workhorse.
This one clearly is not.
Which is fine, it's basically going to target the rural/urban lifestyle market.
But it's not rugged and it's not a workhorse, ergo it's not really a true Defender replacement. No farmer will use this as a hack, it's not suitable.
This one clearly is not.
Which is fine, it's basically going to target the rural/urban lifestyle market.
But it's not rugged and it's not a workhorse, ergo it's not really a true Defender replacement. No farmer will use this as a hack, it's not suitable.
NomduJour said:
I would certainly have one instead of a pickup, doing the same job the Discovery 3 commercial did. Not everyone is a masochist.
It can't... it's not heavy duty enough.As we've been through before it lacks the necessary truck attributes of a ladder chassis and heavy duty suspension.
Independent rear end won't cut it for heavy work.
Body panels are too exposed and costly to repair, air suspension is going to cause issues down the line in terms of reliability and cost, the list goes on and on.
It's a toy.
NomduJour said:
What planet do you live on? Do you think you're some sort of 19th century lumberjack or something? Our Discovery 3 van was perfect for the job - went anywhere with the right tyres, towed brilliantly - just a really practical, useful tool.
At least it had a truck frame under it.But no, for heavy work a pickup is better.
"Heavy work", grrrr
I can imagine the scenario when you buy a new house - "No, those windows will have to go - far too fragile and expensive to repair, I'll get some sacks nailed up instead. Flushing lavatory? That's got to go, far too much to go wrong, I'll be crapping in a bucket like a real man. Mattress will need to be burnt, I'll be sleeping on the floor. A roof? Indulgences like that turn men into nancy boys etc"
I can imagine the scenario when you buy a new house - "No, those windows will have to go - far too fragile and expensive to repair, I'll get some sacks nailed up instead. Flushing lavatory? That's got to go, far too much to go wrong, I'll be crapping in a bucket like a real man. Mattress will need to be burnt, I'll be sleeping on the floor. A roof? Indulgences like that turn men into nancy boys etc"
skyrover said:
It can't... it's not heavy duty enough.
As we've been through before it lacks the necessary truck attributes of a ladder chassis and heavy duty suspension.
Independent rear end won't cut it for heavy work.
Body panels are too exposed and costly to repair, air suspension is going to cause issues down the line in terms of reliability and cost, the list goes on and on.
It's a toy.
I’m not entirely disagreeing but I’m not sure how the body panels on this are any different to, say, a new Hilux. As we've been through before it lacks the necessary truck attributes of a ladder chassis and heavy duty suspension.
Independent rear end won't cut it for heavy work.
Body panels are too exposed and costly to repair, air suspension is going to cause issues down the line in terms of reliability and cost, the list goes on and on.
It's a toy.
The lower sills look removable and the front bumper looks to be in small removable segments, unlike the one-piece of design of a Hilux. Knacker a wing on a Hilux and it’s no different to knackering the front wing on any other car.
A one-piece screen on the dash can be simply unplugged and replaced with a new one. There’s no reason why this is any less practical than a series of traditional dials and gauges, assuming it’s still drivable if the screen fails.
The suspension, has it been confirmed that all models are air? I’d have thought the bottom of the range would be springs much like the Discovery used to be.
Does it really matter that it’s not a ladder chassis? You see plenty of pickups with collapsed and bent chassis, especially in accidents. What’s the load limit on the bed of a Hilux? 500kg? Why can’t heavy-duty independent suspension be made to take that and wouldn’t it offer more control? (Genuine question!)
I honestly see no reason why a stripped out version of the new Defender should be any less practical than its current rivals. It’s not like a Hilux is particularly basic these days and they’re still not exactly comfortable on a typical country road (bouncy!)
Does it matter if it’s 10k more expensive to buy new than a Ranger if it’s 10k more valuable come trade-in? Traditionally LR products hold their value pretty well. Personally I think a lot of you are writing this off way too early. You may well be right but give it chance!
"not heavy duty enough"? You mean not as heavy duty as the Defender which mostly uses parts left over from 1930's cars for its drivetrain? LRs are notorious for breaking stuff underneath when heavily loaded, which is why everyone drives pick ups from japan that actually have decent, modern parts underneath (like this new defender.....)
Max_Torque said:
"not heavy duty enough"? You mean not as heavy duty as the Defender which mostly uses parts left over from 1930's cars for its drivetrain? LRs are notorious for breaking stuff underneath when heavily loaded, which is why everyone drives pick ups from japan that actually have decent, modern parts underneath (like this new defender.....)
Interesting argument.They use the same setup as the Defender essentially IFS not withstanding. The Japanese manage to build them properly though.
Age is not a factor in as much as a lack of will to fix problems.
Digga said:
BlackLabel said:
Just need to make sure it leaks oil and that's everything sorted.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff