RE: Ford Focus ST: Driven
Discussion
greenarrow said:
So, PH lurches from an enthusiastic thumbs up review one day to a rather less than thumbs up the review the next. Weird!
I think on balance if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, the Hyundai i30N would get my vote. The Civic is just too garish and OTT visually for me, brilliant car that it is, the Megane RS I like a lot, but not sure about that 4WS system. Would need to try one. The Golf is about to be replaced and the Focus seems to do most of what the Hyundai does, goes a bit faster but costs a fair bit more. I stick by what I said yesterday however, in many ways we've never had it so good!
Yep, sorry, I'd noticed that too. There are some very good bits, and I'm keen to try the car again, but just didn't have the same enthusiasm on the road as on the test track. Certain things become apparent with more time that you don't get on an early drive. We're keen to try it again soon!I think on balance if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, the Hyundai i30N would get my vote. The Civic is just too garish and OTT visually for me, brilliant car that it is, the Megane RS I like a lot, but not sure about that 4WS system. Would need to try one. The Golf is about to be replaced and the Focus seems to do most of what the Hyundai does, goes a bit faster but costs a fair bit more. I stick by what I said yesterday however, in many ways we've never had it so good!
Matt
s m said:
I’d be very surprised if this weighs substantially less than the old 2012 model which like for like was 200kg more than the Escort when actually weighed in tests
Perhaps, obviously making some assumptions on what the new one will puy down as nobody has weighed them yet... the old cars measured to the same standard as modern ones are usually quite a bit heaver than we remember them from the spec sheet, though. Onehp said:
s m said:
I’d be very surprised if this weighs substantially less than the old 2012 model which like for like was 200kg more than the Escort when actually weighed in tests
Perhaps, obviously making some assumptions on what the new one will puy down as nobody has weighed them yet... the old cars measured to the same standard as modern ones are usually quite a bit heaver than we remember them from the spec sheet, though. 1505kg for the Focus ST in 2012 ( 12th September issue )
nicfaz said:
Another manufacturer getting drive modes wrong - when will they learn? If you're going to have settings that make a meaningful difference then there needs to be an "individual" mode which allows you to choose each setting according to preference. Having the rev matching forced on in sport mode (or not being able to have stronger LSD in comfort mode) is just crazy. Hopefully they can sort it with a software update?
Yeah that's crazy not to offer a custom mode.Renault were scolded for not getting it right with the last Clio RS.... on the Megane they've provided a fully customisable mode. It seems mad that Ford haven't done this.
Heel and toe my arse. 99.99% of prospective owners wouldn't even know what that was, it's a pretty much redundant technique. If you are going to release a performance hatch in this day and age with a manual box then it has to have rev match permanent on for spirited driving. Whoever signed off on that was spot on. Rev match is one thing where tech has improved the breed, albeit years too late. It permits well judged braking and gear shifting with zero sweat. Even your old mum could downshift like ayrton senna.
markcoznottz said:
If you are going to release a performance hatch in this day and age with a manual box then it has to have rev match permanent on for spirited driving. Whoever signed off on that was spot on.
^^^ Spot the s
t driver who can't rev match to save his life. It should be a feature that is easily disabled, so the men can flick it off and take pleasure and matching their own throttle to downshift.
markcoznottz said:
Heel and toe my arse. 99.99% of prospective owners wouldn't even know what that was, it's a pretty much redundant technique. If you are going to release a performance hatch in this day and age with a manual box then it has to have rev match permanent on for spirited driving. Whoever signed off on that was spot on. Rev match is one thing where tech has improved the breed, albeit years too late. It permits well judged braking and gear shifting with zero sweat. Even your old mum could downshift like ayrton senna.
Me and at least a couple of my car mates all heal and toe, even in normal day to day driving. I like to be able to do it myself, it's satisfying. I'm not implying me and my mates are driving god's. One of my mates plays the guitar really well, no he's not a rockstar.To say it's a redundant technique tells me you don't really know what you're talking about.
lee_erm said:
markcoznottz said:
Heel and toe my arse. 99.99% of prospective owners wouldn't even know what that was, it's a pretty much redundant technique. If you are going to release a performance hatch in this day and age with a manual box then it has to have rev match permanent on for spirited driving. Whoever signed off on that was spot on. Rev match is one thing where tech has improved the breed, albeit years too late. It permits well judged braking and gear shifting with zero sweat. Even your old mum could downshift like ayrton senna.
Me and at least a couple of my car mates all heal and toe, even in normal day to day driving. I like to be able to do it myself, it's satisfying. I'm not implying me and my mates are driving god's. One of my mates plays the guitar really well, no he's not a rockstar.To say it's a redundant technique tells me you don't really know what you're talking about.
s m said:
Onehp said:
s m said:
I’d be very surprised if this weighs substantially less than the old 2012 model which like for like was 200kg more than the Escort when actually weighed in tests
Perhaps, obviously making some assumptions on what the new one will puy down as nobody has weighed them yet... the old cars measured to the same standard as modern ones are usually quite a bit heaver than we remember them from the spec sheet, though. 1505kg for the Focus ST in 2012 ( 12th September issue )
Onehp said:
s m said:
Onehp said:
s m said:
I’d be very surprised if this weighs substantially less than the old 2012 model which like for like was 200kg more than the Escort when actually weighed in tests
Perhaps, obviously making some assumptions on what the new one will puy down as nobody has weighed them yet... the old cars measured to the same standard as modern ones are usually quite a bit heaver than we remember them from the spec sheet, though. 1505kg for the Focus ST in 2012 ( 12th September issue )
The autocar test car in 13/05/92 was with half tank of fuel - no driver or passenger on board. - 1307kg
I think the claimed weight in the Focus ST test in 2012 was indeed 1362kg. It actually weighed 1505kg on the MIRA scales - half tank of juice, no one on board or any luggage.
There is such a "fog"over manufacturer claimed weights ( see Alfa 4C for a good example! ). Some claiming a 'dry' weight, some purporting to add a 75kg driver and an undisclosed amount of luggage etc... etc..
I like the Autocar way of weighing a ready to roll standard car with a half tank of juice, no-one on board for that reason.
Anyway, I shall be interested to see the actual kerb weight of the new one if Autocar run it through their full test
Was looking forward to this, but the reviews have been a bit middling and it doesn't seem to have a stand out element. Starting to think the i30N is the one to get - Megane has been dumbed down, Golf GTI doesn't sound good, Civic Type R looks daft, 308 and Cupra aren't as good to drive. Hmmm...
s m said:
What was the spec of the one in Sport Auto test? Was that a driver onboard?
The autocar test car in 13/05/92 was with half tank of fuel - no driver or passenger on board. - 1307kg
I think the claimed weight in the Focus ST test in 2012 was indeed 1362kg. It actually weighed 1505kg on the MIRA scales - half tank of juice, no one on board or any luggage.
There is such a "fog"over manufacturer claimed weights ( see Alfa 4C for a good example! ). Some claiming a 'dry' weight, some purporting to add a 75kg driver and an undisclosed amount of luggage etc... etc..
I like the Autocar way of weighing a ready to roll standard car with a half tank of juice, no-one on board for that reason.
Anyway, I shall be interested to see the actual kerb weight of the new one if Autocar run it through their full test
Glad to find someone else annoyed at weight figures not taken serious. At the same time, a updated car that gets 15hp more gets plenty attention when most people couln't notice it even if they tried... The autocar test car in 13/05/92 was with half tank of fuel - no driver or passenger on board. - 1307kg
I think the claimed weight in the Focus ST test in 2012 was indeed 1362kg. It actually weighed 1505kg on the MIRA scales - half tank of juice, no one on board or any luggage.
There is such a "fog"over manufacturer claimed weights ( see Alfa 4C for a good example! ). Some claiming a 'dry' weight, some purporting to add a 75kg driver and an undisclosed amount of luggage etc... etc..
I like the Autocar way of weighing a ready to roll standard car with a half tank of juice, no-one on board for that reason.
Anyway, I shall be interested to see the actual kerb weight of the new one if Autocar run it through their full test
Can't give an online link for that sport auto but they are always according to the german din norm, which is all ready with a 90% full tank no driver or luggage. Found this one, since the ST seems to be kerb weight half tank, the 1375kg was still good, if the 1418kg is correct (no source or method given): https://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus-rs/14157/ford-foc...
Don Roque said:
^^^ Spot the st driver who can't rev match to save his life.
It should be a feature that is easily disabled, so the men can flick it off and take pleasure and matching their own throttle to downshift.
Do you both get up early and practice being knobs or is it natural talent??t driver who can't rev match to save his life. It should be a feature that is easily disabled, so the men can flick it off and take pleasure and matching their own throttle to downshift.
Who are either of you to say which is the best way to drive?
Everyone has a different take on driving ,be it with or without electronic assistance so both of you should wind your necks in and rejoice in another performance car being added to the list
ChrisNic said:
Drive the deal has just quoted a £4600 saving on the list price, that gives one in fancy paint and the performance pack for £28,400.
I don’t know how that compares to what you can buy it’s competitors for but it feels more reasonable.
Maths fail or am I missing something? £32k list (£31995) minus £4600 isn't £28400. I don’t know how that compares to what you can buy it’s competitors for but it feels more reasonable.
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