RE: Ford Focus ST: Driven
Discussion
Big Robbo said:
Don Roque said:
^^^ Spot the s
t driver who can't rev match to save his life.
It should be a feature that is easily disabled, so the men can flick it off and take pleasure and matching their own throttle to downshift.
Do you both get up early and practice being knobs or is it natural talent??t driver who can't rev match to save his life. It should be a feature that is easily disabled, so the men can flick it off and take pleasure and matching their own throttle to downshift.
Who are either of you to say which is the best way to drive?
Everyone has a different take on driving ,be it with or without electronic assistance so both of you should wind your necks in and rejoice in another performance car being added to the list
davidc1 said:
WhiteBaron said:
hmm added decent paint (800) and the track pack (250) and its north of 33k. lots of competition as stated arounfd that price point
Yep. Nutty money.
Rather get an a35 .that can do the exec side of the coin as well
There’s nothing executive about a an A35
At all
ChrisNic said:
Drive the deal has just quoted a £4600 saving on the list price, that gives one in fancy paint and the performance pack for £28,400.
I don’t know how that compares to what you can buy it’s competitors for but it feels more reasonable.
Good price. For balance I have ordered a Megane 280 in poverty flat white and no options apart from the Cup pack for £25,950 on the road. I don’t know how that compares to what you can buy it’s competitors for but it feels more reasonable.
s m said:
Onehp said:
s m said:
Onehp said:
s m said:
I’d be very surprised if this weighs substantially less than the old 2012 model which like for like was 200kg more than the Escort when actually weighed in tests
Perhaps, obviously making some assumptions on what the new one will puy down as nobody has weighed them yet... the old cars measured to the same standard as modern ones are usually quite a bit heaver than we remember them from the spec sheet, though. 1505kg for the Focus ST in 2012 ( 12th September issue )
The autocar test car in 13/05/92 was with half tank of fuel - no driver or passenger on board. - 1307kg
I think the claimed weight in the Focus ST test in 2012 was indeed 1362kg. It actually weighed 1505kg on the MIRA scales - half tank of juice, no one on board or any luggage.
There is such a "fog"over manufacturer claimed weights ( see Alfa 4C for a good example! ). Some claiming a 'dry' weight, some purporting to add a 75kg driver and an undisclosed amount of luggage etc... etc..
I like the Autocar way of weighing a ready to roll standard car with a half tank of juice, no-one on board for that reason.
Anyway, I shall be interested to see the actual kerb weight of the new one if Autocar run it through their full test
The new Focus is a chunky old thing. The 1.5 turbo they tested came in at 1417KG. A 1.5 TSI Golf by comparison they test at only 1324 KG. Perhaps that's why the Focus needed 180BHP to match the acceleration figures of the 148BHP Golf.
So based on that, circa 1500KG seems likely for the ST variation.....
Ford needs to try harder IMO. Back when the Mk1 Focus came out, it was generally lighter, model, for model than a Mk4 Golf.....
greenarrow said:
s m said:
Onehp said:
s m said:
Onehp said:
s m said:
I’d be very surprised if this weighs substantially less than the old 2012 model which like for like was 200kg more than the Escort when actually weighed in tests
Perhaps, obviously making some assumptions on what the new one will puy down as nobody has weighed them yet... the old cars measured to the same standard as modern ones are usually quite a bit heaver than we remember them from the spec sheet, though. 1505kg for the Focus ST in 2012 ( 12th September issue )
The autocar test car in 13/05/92 was with half tank of fuel - no driver or passenger on board. - 1307kg
I think the claimed weight in the Focus ST test in 2012 was indeed 1362kg. It actually weighed 1505kg on the MIRA scales - half tank of juice, no one on board or any luggage.
There is such a "fog"over manufacturer claimed weights ( see Alfa 4C for a good example! ). Some claiming a 'dry' weight, some purporting to add a 75kg driver and an undisclosed amount of luggage etc... etc..
I like the Autocar way of weighing a ready to roll standard car with a half tank of juice, no-one on board for that reason.
Anyway, I shall be interested to see the actual kerb weight of the new one if Autocar run it through their full test
The new Focus is a chunky old thing. The 1.5 turbo they tested came in at 1417KG. A 1.5 TSI Golf by comparison they test at only 1324 KG. Perhaps that's why the Focus needed 180BHP to match the acceleration figures of the 148BHP Golf.
So based on that, circa 1500KG seems likely for the ST variation.....
Ford needs to try harder IMO. Back when the Mk1 Focus came out, it was generally lighter, model, for model than a Mk4 Golf.....
I’m like you greenarrow, I like the fact Autocar just drive it onto the scales - it would be interesting to have seen how Ford could find an ST 143kg less!
Elatino1 said:
Car-Matt said:
Nobody will ever pay list, ever for a Ford
Don't be silly. There were no discounts on the last RS or I believe the one before that. I doubt you would get much if any discount on a Ford GT or Mustang Bullit either, I'm sure there are plenty of others too.For info there were a few offers around on the last RS ;-)
Car-Matt said:
No Don't be silly, we're talking high volume cars not limited runs, or are you just in pedant mode?
For info there were a few offers around on the last RS ;-)
I can see you are the type that won't admit when they are wrong.For info there were a few offers around on the last RS ;-)
The mk3 RS was not a limited run and no there were no deals available when they were new, none at all.
I won't argue with you as I can already tell what kind of person you are, these are indisputable facts.
People do pay full list for Fords despite your original comment. I can almost tell you are not a fan of Fords by your demeanour, which begs the question , why comment on a Ford thread?
Elatino1 said:
Car-Matt said:
No Don't be silly, we're talking high volume cars not limited runs, or are you just in pedant mode?
For info there were a few offers around on the last RS ;-)
I can see you are the type that won't admit when they are wrong.For info there were a few offers around on the last RS ;-)
The mk3 RS was not a limited run and no there were no deals available when they were new, none at all.
I won't argue with you as I can already tell what kind of person you are, these are indisputable facts.
People do pay full list for Fords despite your original comment. I can almost tell you are not a fan of Fords by your demeanour, which begs the question , why comment on a Ford thread?
Elatino1 said:
Do tell what this unique deal was that you managed to secure? Nobody else got any deal and it seems neither did you as you turned down this 1-off opportunity.
Love how you moved the goalposts to "mass produced Fords" from "Fords". Beguiling.
No mate, you have moved the goalposts from a Focus ST to other things.....my general comment was that nobody pays list price for fords, I didn't caveat number or time limited products as i didn't realise anybody would be so stupid as to argue so hard about it. We're talking run of the mill mass produced, fiesta, focus, mondeo etc not Bullit Edition Mustangs that throb harder than you.Love how you moved the goalposts to "mass produced Fords" from "Fords". Beguiling.
Why not pop up a poll to see how many new Ford purchasers paid list price rather than argue the toss with me, go find out for yourself when its the school holidays.
I'm really not interested in what you think you know about what deals i struck either, why christen them one-off? Unless you make multiple deals at the same dealer then they're all one-off you tool.
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