RE: Jaguar F-Type to get inline-six and new look
Discussion
anonymous said:
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But that's missing the point. The X-Type was a critical success when it first launched, to the extent of even being placed ahead of the contemporary 3 series in some road tests.You're right, it didn't sell as well as it should have as the market for 6 cylinder small executives wasn't huge even 18 years ago, but when they addressed that and fitted a small diesel version, the car's reputation was irreputably tarnished, despite (of perhaps because of) selling much better than the earlier "purer" examples.
So whilst it is pure speculation, it's arguable that an XF with a 4-pot diesel available at launch would not now be held in the sort of high regard that >6 cylinder-only XF mk1 enjoys. Put another way, I'd say the last great 5 series was the e39, which was >6 cylinder only. Can you blame Jaguar for looking at the comparatively unloved E60 and trying not to make the same mistakes?
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
I know quite a few senior people
Interesting. And I guess they don't mind you sharing that info with us? 
Any news on when the new V8 will be ready?
Miserablegit said:
They are lovely cars - a friend has a v8s
They do sit in a difficult place however - covering ground from cayman to 911. Much as I love them they are a tough sell at 911 money.
Presume there are good discounts ?
The Cayman is such a sleek svelte looker which makes the Jaguar look bloated & lumpy. They do sit in a difficult place however - covering ground from cayman to 911. Much as I love them they are a tough sell at 911 money.
Presume there are good discounts ?
Sadly Jaguar have never lost their old school middle-aged cads express image nor is it a pure British car anymore.
WJNB said:
Miserablegit said:
They are lovely cars - a friend has a v8s
They do sit in a difficult place however - covering ground from cayman to 911. Much as I love them they are a tough sell at 911 money.
Presume there are good discounts ?
The Cayman is such a sleek svelte looker which makes the Jaguar look bloated & lumpy. They do sit in a difficult place however - covering ground from cayman to 911. Much as I love them they are a tough sell at 911 money.
Presume there are good discounts ?
Sadly Jaguar have never lost their old school middle-aged cads express image nor is it a pure British car anymore.
Burwood said:
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
I know quite a few senior people
Interesting. And I guess they don't mind you sharing that info with us? Any news on when the new V8 will be ready?
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
What do you know then? I do know who you are though
I don't know anything more than I said. My reply was simply that you clearly don't know too much if you can't answer that question. I have a feeling I know who you are as well. Not that it matters.
craigjm said:
Ha yes I’m sure we both know who we are. The BMW v8 is ready to go but requires some modifications as you would imagine so is being held off until the facelift of the FType coming soon and will follow into the Fpave upon that facelift too so that everything is coincided with one update per model apparently. Makes sense. The cost is greater per unit though which may also have contributed to it being held off until the ford deal was up. M
So you do know so more and yes that all makes sense. Just a shame it’s taken so long and no sign of a saloon car with it. 4 years since you could last buy an XF with a V8 and over a year since a you could buy a brand new saloon with one either (project 8 aside). Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
Ha yes I’m sure we both know who we are. The BMW v8 is ready to go but requires some modifications as you would imagine so is being held off until the facelift of the FType coming soon and will follow into the Fpave upon that facelift too so that everything is coincided with one update per model apparently. Makes sense. The cost is greater per unit though which may also have contributed to it being held off until the ford deal was up. M
So you do know so more and yes that all makes sense. Just a shame it’s taken so long and no sign of a saloon car with it. 4 years since you could last buy an XF with a V8 and over a year since a you could buy a brand new saloon with one either (project 8 aside). 
The saloon cars are an issue because the current v8 doesnt fit in either XE or XF if you want RHD although not sure about the BMW unit, im sure its no smaller so guess similar. In another own goal the 3.0 straight 6 just announced doesnt fit in them either.
I did about 400 miles in the 2019 V6 S Coupe (or R-Dynamic 380ps AWD, whatever the model is called).
I'd fancied an F Type ever since I first saw them. It was nice to drive - I really enjoyed the big fast GT-ness of the thing. It looks incredible and turns heads. Sounds pretty good too with the pops and bangs. Comfortable inside although the interior could be a bit more special - whether that's nicer leather or something. The seats were very good.
My only issue was that at high speeds and undulating roads it can feel a bit unsettled - don't know if thats the big wheels and all that unsprung weight, the stiff suspension, or just the fact that it's q a big heavy car. I wouldn't mind smaller rims.
I liked the experience - didn't really use all the infotainment stuff, just listened to the engine. Some long days of driving in the Cotswolds were really enjoyable.If I had the money I would probably buy one - racing green with tan leather.
I'm pretty much a millenial (mid-late 20s). The reason young people don't buy Jags is probably expense and the fact that there is no stripped out small sports car or A-class models available. It's all exec saloons and sports cars for people who still think it's the 1990s and that James Bond is cool, still read GQ, respond to ads with Eva Green etc. Their current marketing feels kind of dated and confused.
Only my opinion, but if Jag built something which rivals the MX 5 and is a bit more masculine, is lightweight, pretty powerful, yet with some luggage room, at a good price and without a load of unnecessary crap (do away with fancy radios and sat navs - everyone can use Apple CarPlay etc), I reckon that would be a winner. Draw on the motorsports history and make it a hoot to drive. At least that's what I dream about - just a small sports car from them.
Twin that with the A-type style car - could be a hybrid of some sort which carries 4 passengers and luggage - and that's what I dream about.
Guess you can dream!
I'd fancied an F Type ever since I first saw them. It was nice to drive - I really enjoyed the big fast GT-ness of the thing. It looks incredible and turns heads. Sounds pretty good too with the pops and bangs. Comfortable inside although the interior could be a bit more special - whether that's nicer leather or something. The seats were very good.
My only issue was that at high speeds and undulating roads it can feel a bit unsettled - don't know if thats the big wheels and all that unsprung weight, the stiff suspension, or just the fact that it's q a big heavy car. I wouldn't mind smaller rims.
I liked the experience - didn't really use all the infotainment stuff, just listened to the engine. Some long days of driving in the Cotswolds were really enjoyable.If I had the money I would probably buy one - racing green with tan leather.
I'm pretty much a millenial (mid-late 20s). The reason young people don't buy Jags is probably expense and the fact that there is no stripped out small sports car or A-class models available. It's all exec saloons and sports cars for people who still think it's the 1990s and that James Bond is cool, still read GQ, respond to ads with Eva Green etc. Their current marketing feels kind of dated and confused.
Only my opinion, but if Jag built something which rivals the MX 5 and is a bit more masculine, is lightweight, pretty powerful, yet with some luggage room, at a good price and without a load of unnecessary crap (do away with fancy radios and sat navs - everyone can use Apple CarPlay etc), I reckon that would be a winner. Draw on the motorsports history and make it a hoot to drive. At least that's what I dream about - just a small sports car from them.
Twin that with the A-type style car - could be a hybrid of some sort which carries 4 passengers and luggage - and that's what I dream about.
Guess you can dream!
craigjm said:
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
Ha yes I’m sure we both know who we are. The BMW v8 is ready to go but requires some modifications as you would imagine so is being held off until the facelift of the FType coming soon and will follow into the Fpave upon that facelift too so that everything is coincided with one update per model apparently. Makes sense. The cost is greater per unit though which may also have contributed to it being held off until the ford deal was up. M
So you do know so more and yes that all makes sense. Just a shame it’s taken so long and no sign of a saloon car with it. 4 years since you could last buy an XF with a V8 and over a year since a you could buy a brand new saloon with one either (project 8 aside). The saloon cars are an issue because the current v8 doesnt fit in either XE or XF if you want RHD although not sure about the BMW unit, im sure its no smaller so guess similar. In another own goal the 3.0 straight 6 just announced doesnt fit in them either.
Jaguar really do seem to drop the ball on things like this far too often. I could forgive them for now having an AWD option in RHD for the X250 because it was an old design chassis, but the X760 and the X260 were brand new, they said they would give the UK AWD and they have, but they didn't plan for a replacement for the XFR(-S).
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