RE: Jaguar F-Type to get inline-six and new look
Discussion
Puntoboy said:
That makes even less sense. Why design a car chassis from scratch that doesn't fit one of your engines? Also, I'm a little sceptical about that as the 3.0 V6 S/C has the same engine block as the V8, it's only the top half that different, but the top half should interfere with the drivetrain or steering. I also heard you say (I believe) that the new Ingenium inline 6 doesn't fit either. What madness is this? Are Jaguars designers taking something?
Jaguar really do seem to drop the ball on things like this far too often. I could forgive them for now having an AWD option in RHD for the X250 because it was an old design chassis, but the X760 and the X260 were brand new, they said they would give the UK AWD and they have, but they didn't plan for a replacement for the XFR(-S).
Historically they have an issue with collaboration between engineering and design and engineering and design with manufacturing. Guess you can’t turn an oil tanker round overnight. They were hamstrung in the Ford era with manufacturing ruling the roost and aiming for simple build which was why a lot of options you would have expended on the x350 were not in the mix (soft closing doors and other tech that Sclass and 7 had at the time) and these kind of issues continue Jaguar really do seem to drop the ball on things like this far too often. I could forgive them for now having an AWD option in RHD for the X250 because it was an old design chassis, but the X760 and the X260 were brand new, they said they would give the UK AWD and they have, but they didn't plan for a replacement for the XFR(-S).
Jaguar need more sports cars. It should be mirroring Porsche - although not a natural rival, it could be.
Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
PRND said:
Jaguar need more sports cars. It should be mirroring Porsche - although not a natural rival, it could be.
Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
It's the age old thing there... Jag don't have the economy of scale to go up against the Boxster and Cayman and turn it out cheaper. Nice, but I just don't see it happening.Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
HighwayStar said:
PRND said:
Jaguar need more sports cars. It should be mirroring Porsche - although not a natural rival, it could be.
Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
It's the age old thing there... Jag don't have the economy of scale to go up against the Boxster and Cayman and turn it out cheaper. Nice, but I just don't see it happening.Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
craigjm said:
HighwayStar said:
PRND said:
Jaguar need more sports cars. It should be mirroring Porsche - although not a natural rival, it could be.
Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
It's the age old thing there... Jag don't have the economy of scale to go up against the Boxster and Cayman and turn it out cheaper. Nice, but I just don't see it happening.Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
HighwayStar said:
PRND said:
Jaguar need more sports cars. It should be mirroring Porsche - although not a natural rival, it could be.
Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
It's the age old thing there... Jag don't have the economy of scale to go up against the Boxster and Cayman and turn it out cheaper. Nice, but I just don't see it happening.Smaller mid-engined (or front, like a big Mazda MX-5) RWD sports like a Boxster and tin top Cayman - 2 seats, cheaper than equivalent models from Porsche.
F Type goes after the 911
Halo big Jag like the 918 ..but much cheaper, nearly there with the CX 75 model.
XJ follow type with Panamera, a sort of swoopy estate type tourer.
Leave LR to sort out Macan and Cayman - or just re-skin LR with coupe Jag bodies so LR don't have to do the whole coupe SUV thing.
It might be plagiarism but if they go direct it will be a true test of Jaguar can survive up against the big boys.
Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
craigjm said:
Keep the XF and bin the XE then and job done. They don’t need both and they know that. Will be interesting to see which way they go when they officially merge the products at the end of the product cycle
When is that as they are out of sync aren't they? XE has only been face-lifted this year. They need to keep an estate in the line-up and they don't have an XE Sportbrake so I hope they keep the XF.
craigjm said:
It doesn’t need to be cheaper though just competitive. People are buying the alpine a110.
Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
Great idea in theory, but Jag just don’t have the scale to generate the cash required to develop & launch class leading / matching cars in all those segments. Sadly. Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
Look at the XE as just one part of that pie - when launched it didn’t generate enough to even get an estate version, let alone a coupe & convertible.
Puntoboy said:
craigjm said:
Keep the XF and bin the XE then and job done. They don’t need both and they know that. Will be interesting to see which way they go when they officially merge the products at the end of the product cycle
When is that as they are out of sync aren't they? XE has only been face-lifted this year. They need to keep an estate in the line-up and they don't have an XE Sportbrake so I hope they keep the XF.
Plate spinner said:
craigjm said:
It doesn’t need to be cheaper though just competitive. People are buying the alpine a110.
Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
Great idea in theory, but Jag just don’t have the scale to generate the cash required to develop & launch class leading / matching cars in all those segments. Sadly. Jag making suvs is cannibalising sales from themselves. Personally I think the range should be....
A-class type car to attract the young buyers
Jaguar XE in saloon, coupe, convertible and wagon
Cayman / Boxster competitor
F-type to be a 911 competitor
Jaguar XJ in electric and petrol hybrid forms
Each model to feature a halo SVO model
Look at the XE as just one part of that pie - when launched it didn’t generate enough to even get an estate version, let alone a coupe & convertible.
In terms of the XE none of the derivatives over the saloon were ever even on the table
They are stuck between a rock and a hard place because they need the under 40s and desperately the under 30s but can’t do it really with current platforms
Will be interested to see what this looks like, the current car is a lovely looking thing.
Can’t say i agree with all that has been written above, i much prefer the Jag offerings to many of the bland & in some cases hideous german alternatives.
XJ vs BMW 7 series being a case in point.
Can’t say i agree with all that has been written above, i much prefer the Jag offerings to many of the bland & in some cases hideous german alternatives.
XJ vs BMW 7 series being a case in point.
VelvetGreen said:
I did about 400 miles in the 2019 V6 S Coupe (or R-Dynamic 380ps AWD, whatever the model is called).
I'd fancied an F Type ever since I first saw them. It was nice to drive - I really enjoyed the big fast GT-ness of the thing. It looks incredible and turns heads. Sounds pretty good too with the pops and bangs. Comfortable inside although the interior could be a bit more special - whether that's nicer leather or something. The seats were very good.
My only issue was that at high speeds and undulating roads it can feel a bit unsettled - don't know if thats the big wheels and all that unsprung weight, the stiff suspension, or just the fact that it's q a big heavy car. I wouldn't mind smaller rims.
I liked the experience - didn't really use all the infotainment stuff, just listened to the engine. Some long days of driving in the Cotswolds were really enjoyable.If I had the money I would probably buy one - racing green with tan leather.
I'm pretty much a millenial (mid-late 20s). The reason young people don't buy Jags is probably expense and the fact that there is no stripped out small sports car or A-class models available. It's all exec saloons and sports cars for people who still think it's the 1990s and that James Bond is cool, still read GQ, respond to ads with Eva Green etc. Their current marketing feels kind of dated and confused.
Only my opinion, but if Jag built something which rivals the MX 5 and is a bit more masculine, is lightweight, pretty powerful, yet with some luggage room, at a good price and without a load of unnecessary crap (do away with fancy radios and sat navs - everyone can use Apple CarPlay etc), I reckon that would be a winner. Draw on the motorsports history and make it a hoot to drive. At least that's what I dream about - just a small sports car from them.
Twin that with the A-type style car - could be a hybrid of some sort which carries 4 passengers and luggage - and that's what I dream about.
Guess you can dream!
I enjoyed reading the start of your post but then you got ll ageist on us. I like being stuck in the 90s and yes I do think the current James Bond is cool. I'd fancied an F Type ever since I first saw them. It was nice to drive - I really enjoyed the big fast GT-ness of the thing. It looks incredible and turns heads. Sounds pretty good too with the pops and bangs. Comfortable inside although the interior could be a bit more special - whether that's nicer leather or something. The seats were very good.
My only issue was that at high speeds and undulating roads it can feel a bit unsettled - don't know if thats the big wheels and all that unsprung weight, the stiff suspension, or just the fact that it's q a big heavy car. I wouldn't mind smaller rims.
I liked the experience - didn't really use all the infotainment stuff, just listened to the engine. Some long days of driving in the Cotswolds were really enjoyable.If I had the money I would probably buy one - racing green with tan leather.
I'm pretty much a millenial (mid-late 20s). The reason young people don't buy Jags is probably expense and the fact that there is no stripped out small sports car or A-class models available. It's all exec saloons and sports cars for people who still think it's the 1990s and that James Bond is cool, still read GQ, respond to ads with Eva Green etc. Their current marketing feels kind of dated and confused.
Only my opinion, but if Jag built something which rivals the MX 5 and is a bit more masculine, is lightweight, pretty powerful, yet with some luggage room, at a good price and without a load of unnecessary crap (do away with fancy radios and sat navs - everyone can use Apple CarPlay etc), I reckon that would be a winner. Draw on the motorsports history and make it a hoot to drive. At least that's what I dream about - just a small sports car from them.
Twin that with the A-type style car - could be a hybrid of some sort which carries 4 passengers and luggage - and that's what I dream about.
Guess you can dream!
Whatever, I think the F-Type is a stunning car and the world is a better place for it. I'm just waiting for the V8 to hit £25k so it can sit alongside my Continental GT in the garage.
B10 said:
Gosh what a miserable lot.
My last company car in 2018 was an XF estate. Great car and better than my previous C300 estate (unreliable and the worst seats and customer service) and the E250.
JLR have a tough job especially from the home market if this forum is anything to go by.
Not sure if thi thread deserved to be revived, but there should be more F-types on the road for sure. Hope that the updated version will do well.My last company car in 2018 was an XF estate. Great car and better than my previous C300 estate (unreliable and the worst seats and customer service) and the E250.
JLR have a tough job especially from the home market if this forum is anything to go by.
Nerdherder said:
dhamilton99 said:
Miserablegit said:
They are lovely cars - a friend has a v8s
They do sit in a difficult place however - covering ground from cayman to 911. Much as I love them they are a tough sell at 911 money.
Presume there are good discounts ?
They sit for months before they sell usually, our dealership has had 4 of them sat outside for roughly a year and only recently did 1 of them sellThey do sit in a difficult place however - covering ground from cayman to 911. Much as I love them they are a tough sell at 911 money.
Presume there are good discounts ?
dhamilton99 said:
The irony of being a JLR employee and finding out the F type's getting a refresh via a forum.
Hopefully the refresh shaves a bit of weight out. If thats the new ingenium i6 the unfortunately its not gonna sound great.
Interesting attitude. I’d fire you.Hopefully the refresh shaves a bit of weight out. If thats the new ingenium i6 the unfortunately its not gonna sound great.
Also working at a dealership you're not high on the priorities to keep up to date on the product cycle
You should be clear in future, you don't work for JLR, that implies you have something to do with the development, just the failure to sell them
Edited by dukebox9reg on Thursday 8th August 20:24
VelvetGreen said:
Only my opinion, but if Jag built something which rivals the MX 5 and is a bit more masculine, is lightweight, pretty powerful, yet with some luggage room, at a good price and without a load of unnecessary crap (do away with fancy radios and sat navs - everyone can use Apple CarPlay etc), I reckon that would be a winner. Draw on the motorsports history and make it a hoot to drive. At least that's what I dream about - just a small sports car from them.
Guess you can dream!
so, that's a Lotus thenGuess you can dream!
I hope this isn't s
t. Hope it doesn't look st.
I like Jaguar, but they seem to be in a permanent hole. The F-Pace was decent but looks ancient these days, but the E-Pace was appalling and nobody bought it. The saloons and estates are just cars nobody buys anymore - it's a lineup from 1999. There's no hatchback for some reason, but the I-Pace is very cool. The F-Type is quite pretty but somehow always gives the impression of being too big and heavy....despite being no heavier and only slightly longer than the Toyota.
I worry for them a bit.
t. Hope it doesn't look st. I like Jaguar, but they seem to be in a permanent hole. The F-Pace was decent but looks ancient these days, but the E-Pace was appalling and nobody bought it. The saloons and estates are just cars nobody buys anymore - it's a lineup from 1999. There's no hatchback for some reason, but the I-Pace is very cool. The F-Type is quite pretty but somehow always gives the impression of being too big and heavy....despite being no heavier and only slightly longer than the Toyota.
I worry for them a bit.
wab172uk said:
They need to make it lighter. It's a heavy old boot.
Customers don't care about weight. Add equipment, more stuff etc and counter it with power and more efficient engines. Whilst I agree with you the weight of so many cars is much higher than you think, for example a BMW M2 is 1600kg+ (all M cars are big heavy tanks and they are not the only ones).Frimley111R said:
wab172uk said:
They need to make it lighter. It's a heavy old boot.
Customers don't care about weight. Add equipment, more stuff etc and counter it with power and more efficient engines. Whilst I agree with you the weight of so many cars is much higher than you think, for example a BMW M2 is 1600kg+ (all M cars are big heavy tanks and they are not the only ones).Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff