RE: Megane RS Trophy-R full specs confirmed
Discussion
You can’t buy the Honda that held the previous “record”.
The “standard” Mégane Trophy and Civic Type R appear to be pretty much equal in most track times I’ve seen. Although no official times for either on Nurburgring.
I expect the time between the “standard” CTR and the Trophy R to be far more than 4 seconds......maybe.
Great to see that Renault still have the balls to fund this kind of car, but it doesn’t really interest me. A bespoke Mégane a la 5 Turbo and Clio V6, mid-engined and RWD and I’d struggle not to put a deposit down. I think those days are gone though.
The “standard” Mégane Trophy and Civic Type R appear to be pretty much equal in most track times I’ve seen. Although no official times for either on Nurburgring.
I expect the time between the “standard” CTR and the Trophy R to be far more than 4 seconds......maybe.
Great to see that Renault still have the balls to fund this kind of car, but it doesn’t really interest me. A bespoke Mégane a la 5 Turbo and Clio V6, mid-engined and RWD and I’d struggle not to put a deposit down. I think those days are gone though.
frayz said:
Still don't understand how people are getting hung up on the 5 doors for a C sized car. Almost all C cars now are 5 door, same for the Ford Focus etc.
They're ALL 5 doors because no manufacturer is going to invest in the tooling, manufacture, testing and legislation to make just one model variant of their cars because it looks a bit prettier. The idea of a hot hatch is its a hot version of the standard car, so if the standard car is 5 doors, so will this be.
If they did then each of these cars would be about £5 million quid.
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pretty much why I own a Golf CS, looks mega with 3 doors.They're ALL 5 doors because no manufacturer is going to invest in the tooling, manufacture, testing and legislation to make just one model variant of their cars because it looks a bit prettier. The idea of a hot hatch is its a hot version of the standard car, so if the standard car is 5 doors, so will this be.
If they did then each of these cars would be about £5 million quid.
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5 doors look like a dads wagon. not cool esp when you take out the rear seats, it's just stupid and mus add so much weight it's untrue, the new Megane is not light weight really and still weighs more than your R :-)
Porsche911R said:
pretty much why I own a Golf CS, looks mega with 3 doors.
5 doors look like a dads wagon. not cool esp when you take out the rear seats, it's just stupid and mus add so much weight it's untrue, the new Megane is not light weight really and still weighs more than your R :-)
+ 1 on the 3 door thing.5 doors look like a dads wagon. not cool esp when you take out the rear seats, it's just stupid and mus add so much weight it's untrue, the new Megane is not light weight really and still weighs more than your R :-)
We actually have an FK2 Type R and Honda at least made an attempt to hide the rear doors with the recessed handles in much the same way that Seat (I think) used to on the Leon.
When I saw the current Civic I decided initially that I wouldn't want one, but I must admit it has grown on me and I'm sort of resigned to the 5 door thing as the options for a three door are all but zero.
My understanding from our local dealer is that a facelift is currently being developed and I assume being tested at the ring amongst other places. It will be interesting to see if there are any performance gains with this version.
Itsallicanafford said:
Love the way they did it the hard way by loosing weight and improving handling rather than just remapping the engine for more power.
Colin Chapman stance holds true, more power will make it faster on the straights, less weight makes it faster everywhere.It would be interesting to know how much extra power would be needed to reduce lap time on Nurburgring, to be equivalent of 130 kg weight saving?
I suspect the reasons they dont do this is:
1. More power with existing engine, will only reduce durability, given this car is designed for hard track driving, probably a bad idea.
2. More power reliably, would actually add weight, with bigger coolers, bigger turbo and likely bigger brakes. So even more power required to offset extra weight of delivering more power!!
3. Peak power is headline figure, but fast is delivered with power range, not just peak. The engine will by optimised for power range range more than peak.
moonigan said:
Renault Sport also offers accessories dedicated exclusively to the New MEGANE R.S. TROPHYR,
signed R.S. Performance. To push performance and sporty handling even further, customers will
find the range of accessories on the Renault Sport online store:
• carbon wheels,
• adjustable rear stopblock and short suspension spring,
• DESS Lithium battery
So there will only be 30 cars with carbon wheels, carbon discs and carbon intake (DRL delete), but you can buy the wheels after market, along with adjustable bump stops and a light weight battery?signed R.S. Performance. To push performance and sporty handling even further, customers will
find the range of accessories on the Renault Sport online store:
• carbon wheels,
• adjustable rear stopblock and short suspension spring,
• DESS Lithium battery
Those 30 cars with all the options are going to be mega expensive, but very very cool
Slightly OT, but re: the dumping of a much-heralded 4ws system for the sake of a more hardcore proposition...there's an (obscure) precendent for this.
The MK4 Honda Prelude 2.2VTEC could be had in JDM 'BB4' spec, with the 4WS deleted, an optional LSD and factory lightened. It had a character not unlike a DC2 Integra, but with a fair amount more off-cam poke from the H22 engine.
Back OT...I suspect the next version of the Trophy 300 will have the 4WS dumped and the Ohlins as an option. At that point, i'll be running to my local dealership with a wad of cash. My 275 with Ohlins is fantastic.
The MK4 Honda Prelude 2.2VTEC could be had in JDM 'BB4' spec, with the 4WS deleted, an optional LSD and factory lightened. It had a character not unlike a DC2 Integra, but with a fair amount more off-cam poke from the H22 engine.
Back OT...I suspect the next version of the Trophy 300 will have the 4WS dumped and the Ohlins as an option. At that point, i'll be running to my local dealership with a wad of cash. My 275 with Ohlins is fantastic.
KPB1973 said:
Slightly OT, but re: the dumping of a much-heralded 4ws system for the sake of a more hardcore proposition...there's an (obscure) precendent for this.
The MK4 Honda Prelude 2.2VTEC could be had in JDM 'BB4' spec, with the 4WS deleted, an optional LSD and factory lightened. It had a character not unlike a DC2 Integra, but with a fair amount more off-cam poke from the H22 engine.
Back OT...I suspect the next version of the Trophy 300 will have the 4WS dumped and the Ohlins as an option. At that point, i'll be running to my local dealership with a wad of cash. My 275 with Ohlins is fantastic.
The Trophy 300 as it stands is improved in many places over the 275.The MK4 Honda Prelude 2.2VTEC could be had in JDM 'BB4' spec, with the 4WS deleted, an optional LSD and factory lightened. It had a character not unlike a DC2 Integra, but with a fair amount more off-cam poke from the H22 engine.
Back OT...I suspect the next version of the Trophy 300 will have the 4WS dumped and the Ohlins as an option. At that point, i'll be running to my local dealership with a wad of cash. My 275 with Ohlins is fantastic.
The one thing it does miss is the Ohlins, but these can be added.
4WS helps to improve the at speed cornering, could just do with being firmed up a touch IMO.
HorneyMX5 said:
The angle of those harnesses is a bit sketchy IMO.
Isn't the rule of thumb that there needs to be some sort of structural support so the harnesses are at most ~20 degrees from horizontal? Maybe there is some clever thing in the seats that will stop the angle being a problem but it did stand out quickly as a bit off.I hope the lucky few RHD buyers spec them well! With a car this compromised from its humble cooking relatives, it makes sense to go all-out.
nickfrog said:
I am sure it's a great road car but probably a different proposition altogether on track.
Or having a proper drive in the Alps Carbon wheels and ceramic brakes on a Megane is pretty serious, the price is going to a whole new high I think!
I think they will be eyeing GT3 RS owners and imagining that those owners will think the price is reasonable at £55k
The R26.R is rumoured to have cost Renault £100k each to make
simonbamg said:
I’d take the new A45s all day long
I very much doubt the people who are hoping to secure one of these would ever be in the market for a A45. Completely different target demographic. The A45 is exact polar opposite to this car as it throws more weight and more power to a problem that doesn't need resolving. Cars are fast enough as they are but invariably as they get faster and more powerful the driver becomes more detached from what is going on particularly in this segment. moonigan said:
simonbamg said:
I’d take the new A45s all day long
I very much doubt the people who are hoping to secure one of these would ever be in the market for a A45. Completely different target demographic. The A45 is exact polar opposite to this car as it throws more weight and more power to a problem that doesn't need resolving. Cars are fast enough as they are but invariably as they get faster and more powerful the driver becomes more detached from what is going on particularly in this segment. For proof just go and look at the A45 thread running right now. For many the perceived status of the badge, the high quality plastics and headline figures are all they really value. And lets be honest, the fact is that they are very effective road cars. They don't value handling and driving thrills as highly and they like the discreet looks
They really don't get how a car that's 100bhp less powerful can be preferred head to head or put 20 secs on it round the ring.
It does 0-60 in under 4 secs, it is therefore "faster"
Carting around 200kg all the time doesn't compute in their status obsessed world
Dblue said:
^^ This ^^
For proof just go and look at the A45 thread running right now. For many the perceived status of the badge, the high quality plastics and headline figures are all they really value. And lets be honest, the fact is that they are very effective road cars. They don't value handling and driving thrills as highly and they like the discreet looks
They really don't get how a car that's 100bhp less powerful can be preferred head to head or put 20 secs on it round the ring.
It does 0-60 in under 4 secs, it is therefore "faster"
Carting around 200kg all the time doesn't compute in their status obsessed world
Also at £55k, you can have another french 2 seater, the Alpine. Why would you buy this Megan and lug round another 200kg over that?For proof just go and look at the A45 thread running right now. For many the perceived status of the badge, the high quality plastics and headline figures are all they really value. And lets be honest, the fact is that they are very effective road cars. They don't value handling and driving thrills as highly and they like the discreet looks
They really don't get how a car that's 100bhp less powerful can be preferred head to head or put 20 secs on it round the ring.
It does 0-60 in under 4 secs, it is therefore "faster"
Carting around 200kg all the time doesn't compute in their status obsessed world
Fact is all 3 appeal to different customers, the "Yobbishness" of the A45 has its appeal, the "Nerdyness" of the Megan has a different appeal, and the Alpine different again. You could probably justify all 3, im just personally not a fan of front wheel drive.
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/renault/18-300...
Supposedly near £70k with all the options ticked.
Very cool car.
Supposedly near £70k with all the options ticked.
Very cool car.
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