RE: Electric Jaguar XJ confirmed for 2020
Discussion
Did anyone hear the t
t from Jaguar being interviewed on Sky News yesterday ?
Quote:-
"It's a lovely sunny day today so 90% of the countries electricity will be from solar."
Another good one from a few days back was the suggestion that we use farmland to grow trees.
The trees adsorb CO2 thus we become carbon neutral.
The interviewer asked what do we do with the trees when they are fully grown.
We burn them and turn them into energy and this will fuel our electric cars, was the reply.
Paul G
t from Jaguar being interviewed on Sky News yesterday ?Quote:-
"It's a lovely sunny day today so 90% of the countries electricity will be from solar."
Another good one from a few days back was the suggestion that we use farmland to grow trees.
The trees adsorb CO2 thus we become carbon neutral.
The interviewer asked what do we do with the trees when they are fully grown.
We burn them and turn them into energy and this will fuel our electric cars, was the reply.
Paul G
Mike 83 said:
I don't mind moving with the times I had a x350 for 6 years I would have had a newer one and this new electric one I'm interested in. the only thing not interested atm is my bank account.
It isn't about moving with the times. Literally nobody is buying these things at present, so why do we feel that is going change anytime soon?The JLR product that's going to really re-write the rules is the electric Defender imo! Wait till you drive off road in a car that can individually modulate the tractive effort at each wheel, 20,000 times a second! No need for cross axle lockers and you've got the same negative torque as positive torque (hill descent control to the max!) and you can even make one set of wheels turn the other way (great for tight turns on slippy surfaces) and want to hook up a trailer, no worries, get out, drive the car to the trailer from your phone!
It is a gamble yes but I don't think Jaguar have a choice as in current form they will not survive the next 5 - 10 years. So they can either give up the ghost now and continue making cars that will not sell in large numbers (E/F-Pace aside) or they can take a risk and try to lead the way again as they did back in the 40's, 50s, 60s. With sales of EVs in China going through the roof then a Model S equivalent with Jaguar styling, luxury and handling will hopefully be quite a draw. Let's just hope they get the tech and build quality right.
skinthespin said:
I've done the last 100k miles and 5 years in my xj supersport, mixed feelings about this. The xj is an awesome mile muncher and looking forward to my 4 hour drive to goodwood in it tomorrow, how would I do that in an electric at the moment?
An electric xj would be an ace car I'm sure but the point of an xj is I can do 700 miles in it in a day if I want....
Well it would, the current I pace will do 300 on a charge, no one drives 700 miles in one go, so you could easily stop at a supercharger, gain another 80% and then do the rest. And I would wager that FOS has chargers available too.An electric xj would be an ace car I'm sure but the point of an xj is I can do 700 miles in it in a day if I want....
Max_Torque said:
The JLR product that's going to really re-write the rules is the electric Defender imo! Wait till you drive off road in a car that can individually modulate the tractive effort at each wheel, 20,000 times a second! No need for cross axle lockers and you've got the same negative torque as positive torque (hill descent control to the max!) and you can even make one set of wheels turn the other way (great for tight turns on slippy surfaces) and want to hook up a trailer, no worries, get out, drive the car to the trailer from your phone!
That's no good - I want people to ask why it's got TWO gear levers! 
)Wooda80 said:
Max_Torque said:
The JLR product that's going to really re-write the rules is the electric Defender imo! Wait till you drive off road in a car that can individually modulate the tractive effort at each wheel, 20,000 times a second! No need for cross axle lockers and you've got the same negative torque as positive torque (hill descent control to the max!) and you can even make one set of wheels turn the other way (great for tight turns on slippy surfaces) and want to hook up a trailer, no worries, get out, drive the car to the trailer from your phone!
That's no good - I want people to ask why it's got TWO gear levers! )I do wish them the best of luck with all this, but it feels a bit odd as a bet-the-farm strategy. I mean, yes, future might be electric and all that, but how many I-PACEs have they actually sold? (howmanyleft.co.uk claims 840 registered in 2018, no stats for 2019 yet.)
I live in London and even here they are a rare, rare sight amidst the sea of Audi Qwhatevers and clearly the E-PACE isn't really selling that well either. I think I've only seen about two on the road.
The market for big saloons is obviously much smaller. I just can't see them selling enough to make the numbers work. I guess it's part of their brand and prestige to field a supersaloon towards the top end of the market like this, but will it make any commercial sense?
Although they're not really ahead of the German (and other) competition here in terms of tech - VAG have their Audi E-Tron, the Porsche Taycan is imminent, Volvo's spinoff Polestar have their model 2, etc., given the relative lack of cash, what they've achieved with the I-PACE (at least according to the reviews) seems quite remarkable. It seems worrying that they're don't look like they're actually selling, though.
Maybe they're having a bigger splash abroad? Anyone have any global sales stats?
I live in London and even here they are a rare, rare sight amidst the sea of Audi Qwhatevers and clearly the E-PACE isn't really selling that well either. I think I've only seen about two on the road.
The market for big saloons is obviously much smaller. I just can't see them selling enough to make the numbers work. I guess it's part of their brand and prestige to field a supersaloon towards the top end of the market like this, but will it make any commercial sense?
Although they're not really ahead of the German (and other) competition here in terms of tech - VAG have their Audi E-Tron, the Porsche Taycan is imminent, Volvo's spinoff Polestar have their model 2, etc., given the relative lack of cash, what they've achieved with the I-PACE (at least according to the reviews) seems quite remarkable. It seems worrying that they're don't look like they're actually selling, though.
Maybe they're having a bigger splash abroad? Anyone have any global sales stats?
Edited by herebebeasties on Saturday 6th July 14:49
Nickbrapp said:
skinthespin said:
I've done the last 100k miles and 5 years in my xj supersport, mixed feelings about this. The xj is an awesome mile muncher and looking forward to my 4 hour drive to goodwood in it tomorrow, how would I do that in an electric at the moment?
An electric xj would be an ace car I'm sure but the point of an xj is I can do 700 miles in it in a day if I want....
Well it would, the current I pace will do 300 on a charge, no one drives 700 miles in one go, so you could easily stop at a supercharger, gain another 80% and then do the rest. And I would wager that FOS has chargers available too.An electric xj would be an ace car I'm sure but the point of an xj is I can do 700 miles in it in a day if I want....
So the reality would 3-4 stops of several hours. Not quite the same experience as a current XJ.
All of this will improve in the future but not yet.
herebebeasties said:
I do wish them the best of luck with all this, but it feels a bit odd as a bet-the-farm strategy. I mean, yes, future might be electric and all that, but how many I-PACEs have they actually sold? (howmanyleft.co.uk claims 840 registered in 2018, no stats for 2019 yet.)
We PDI an average of 2 a week at our dealership so sales for them are definitely picking up, but theyre still nowhere close to the sales numbers of E/F paces or the XEEdited by herebebeasties on Saturday 6th July 14:49
XJ's on the other hand we've had 2 PDI'd in the last 3 months
Well done Jaguar, a courageous (and IMO absolutely the right) move. They've shown what they can do on a comparative shoestring with the I-PACE. The Germans (BMW in particular) still seem be in complete denial. It would be great to see Jaguar capitalise on that.
That being said, EV's seem to be selling well in the US.
skinthespin said:
looking forward to my 4 hour drive to goodwood in it tomorrow, how would I do that in an electric at the moment? An electric xj would be an ace car I'm sure but the point of an xj is I can do 700 miles in it in a day if I want....
Presumably you'd leave the house with a full charge. Drive the ≈ 250 miles and charge at your destination. Enjoy your day, return leg with a full charge and plug in again when you get home. A 700 mile one day drive is so far beyond what could be considered normal use that it's not really worth catering for. Huge batteries, huge expense, huge weight. Makes far more sense to build a car capable of half that and work on making the charging infastructure fast and trouble free. In a model S it would be one stop for about an hour which will no doubt improve as the tech matures. I'm sure your bladder would thank you anyway PRND said:
Is it though? The future? It might be, but it might not be. Can't help this is a gamble that could make or break the company.
Of course it is. What are the alternatives? Fuel cells are dead in the water and hybrids seem neither here nor there. I don't really see it as a gamble, more a move away from what is no longer working. Nobody is buying big petrols. Mildly interesting six cylinder diesels are becoming boring four cylinder diesels. As soon as charging on the move becomes a non issue what's to stop it being the future? I think despite statements to the contrary BMW and Klaus Frölich are seriously concerned by the Model 3. There should be an electric version of the 3 series on the market right now firmly putting Tesla in their place. And there isn't.T-195 said:
It isn't about moving with the times. Literally nobody is buying these things at present, so why do we feel that is going change anytime soon?
If you build it they will come. People can't buy what manufacturers don't make. As a country the UK likes to buy the 3 series, the C-Class and the A4. If the Model 3 starts to be seen as a credible alternative (which the motoring press are suggesting it is) then the Germans would be daft not to want a slice of that pie. A full EV 3 series, sub £40k, 250 mile range, 0-60 in five and a bit would have people out of their 320d's in droves. But BMW say there is no market. Maybe they can't make it. Maybe they just can't make it profitably. The cynic in me thinks they probably can but there is more margin to be had in 320d's so why not wring the ICE neck a little more with incremental improvements. At least until their hand is forced either by demand, regulation or plain old economics. Big business putting profit before environmental concerns, who'd have thought it? It's ultimately short-termism though. For with every diesel BMW sold and every call for electrification ignored and scoffed at their competitors edge further ahead.That being said, EV's seem to be selling well in the US.
Max_Torque said:
The JLR product that's going to really re-write the rules is the electric Defender imo! Wait till you drive off road in a car that can individually modulate the tractive effort at each wheel, 20,000 times a second! No need for cross axle lockers and you've got the same negative torque as positive torque (hill descent control to the max!) and you can even make one set of wheels turn the other way (great for tight turns on slippy surfaces) and want to hook up a trailer, no worries, get out, drive the car to the trailer from your phone!
That would be a killer move. You've only got to look at what Rivian are up to in terms of electrification and its benefits to off road capability.Edited by B17NNS on Saturday 6th July 22:39
dhamilton99 said:
We PDI an average of 2 a week at our dealership so sales for them are definitely picking up, but theyre still nowhere close to the sales numbers of E/F paces or the XE
XJ's on the other hand we've had 2 PDI'd in the last 3 months
Maybe with such little XJ volume it's a smart move; halo electric model that they don't need to figure out how to make decent margins on because it'll be so expensive and sell in such small numbers that it's mainly just a marketing exercise. If they get it right maybe they can sell a competitive new electric XE off the back of the image.XJ's on the other hand we've had 2 PDI'd in the last 3 months
I'd love to know how all the analysts try to figure out the numbers and the strategy on this stuff - the error bars must be enormous right now, with all the uncertainty of Brexit, the electric revolution, unproven potential battery improvement tech, the (somewhat inevitable) hype and delay of real autonomous driving, etc.
I have no interest in fully electric cars, and I am sure that I never will. That feeling of going through the gears and bouncing off the red line with the crackles and pops through the exhaust will never be replaced by anything- There is nothing that electric cars can do to provide that level of positive driver feedback.
sonnenschein3000 said:
I have no interest in fully electric cars, and I am sure that I never will. That feeling of going through the gears and bouncing off the red line with the crackles and pops through the exhaust will never be replaced by anything- There is nothing that electric cars can do to provide that level of positive driver feedback.
This is surely why a fully electric luxury saloon is perfect? You want it to be effortless, silent and smooth, the complete opposite of what you have just described. Fair enough, the appeal of an electric sports car is not the that of an ICE but I don't get this opposition to absolutely all BEVs.sonnenschein3000 said:
That feeling of going through the gears and bouncing off the red line with the crackles and pops through the exhaust will never be replaced by anything.
But nobody really drives an XJ for that. Or an SUV. Or a small city car. Or a motorway munching family diesel saloon for that matter. As vocal as we may be sometimes, Pistonheads is not representative of the motoring masses. Putting the visceral qualities of the ICE that PH'rs enjoy aside, do you think that John and Jane Smith in their Fiat 500, Land Rover Discovery or BMW 3 series really know or care about what is under the bonnet?I'd hazard a guess that they don't. When charging is as easy as filling up with diesel or petrol and there is something approaching price parity people will naturally make the switch. Include some government green agenda/incentive and a twist of David Attenborough documentary et voilà.
Nobody is trying to take your fun petrol car away from you. But all the busses, trucks and black cabs? The dull and dreary cars? If it's cleaner and greener why not electrify the lot? And who says electric cars have to be boring anyway?
AMG V12 said:
This is surely why a fully electric luxury saloon is perfect? You want it to be effortless, silent and smooth, the complete opposite of what you have just described. Fair enough, the appeal of an electric sports car is not the that of an ICE but I don't get this opposition to absolutely all BEVs.
Precisely. An XJ is for wafting and stealing paintings. Near silent burglaries... Perhaps Jaguar are serious about getting back their roots after all 
Edited by B17NNS on Saturday 6th July 21:03
Pleased to hear Jag investing in the UK but can’t help but thinking they should be electrifying other models than the XJ. I mean does anyone even buy big exec barges anymore? The world and his grandmother is buying SUV derivatives and family hatchbacks they go and electrify the XJ. 
I could understand a bit more if they did the XF.
I could understand a bit more if they did the XF.sonnenschein3000 said:
I have no interest in fully electric cars, and I am sure that I never will. That feeling of going through the gears and bouncing off the red line with the crackles and pops through the exhaust will never be replaced by anything- There is nothing that electric cars can do to provide that level of positive driver feedback.
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