RE: VW ID.R breaks outright Goodwood record
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
Crafty_ said:
And the 12th item is someone who will can't stand anything other but positive remarks about EVs has a rant to make himself feel better..
And yet, those ^^ people generally speaking, are quite open to the real world flaws of EVs. I certainly am! They are not a visceral as ICEs, which if you're a "car person" could be an issue, today they are expensive, in limited supply, and have a relatively short range, compared to state of the art ICEs.1) Boring - yes possibly, but lots of people drive diesel nissans and toyotas, which are also very boring, so if you drive one of those, you can drive an EV
2) Expensive - yes, but lots of cars are expensive. People spend £60k on something like an M3 and sit in traffic at 3mph for 99.9% of their time. And of course, the costs of EVs are falling, and falling fast
3) Limited supply - definitely, but this is a temporary issue, as more and more resource is pushed behind EVs,t hey will be available in ever increasing numbers
4) Range - more of a "mental issue". EVs currently can't do 600 miles on one charge. However, the main reason people need long range is because this is what they are used too. Most EV owners i speak too get over their "range anxiety" very quickly, and most would not go back to an ICE. Yes, some people do need to drive long distances without stopping, but in reality, that is a small segment of the market, especially in the UK
5) Unresolved, incomplete charging network - probably the biggest issue really, the one that people think is a problem. However, it's really not that hard to sort out your charging requirements, and for most people, certainly the people buying EVs today as second cars for local commuting, the vast majority (>98% in terms of energy transferred) is done at home. The current network is actually well underused, and it is getting bigger all the time. A step change is probably needed in terms of payment logistics, so a std payment card (debit/credit) can be used at any charger imo.
So yes, EVs DO have issues, but i can't see any particular issue that is really either unsolvable, can't be resolved with some education and explanation, or that in any way isn't massively outweighed by the enormousness positive advantages an EV brings to everyday private transit.
I’ll just have to keep the MX5 then.
130R said:
39.9 now
I would imagine an EV like that is perfect for the hillclimb, with the 'instant torque' available. That's what I noticed from the Friday run - the car seemed the same pace as other vehicles through the corners/flint wall, but it got back up to speed faster than any ICE vehicle I've seen on The Hill for a long time.Superior torque and being able to put that to the tarmac is what broke the record. Nice work!
TheDrBrian said:
Max_Torque said:
Crafty_ said:
And the 12th item is someone who will can't stand anything other but positive remarks about EVs has a rant to make himself feel better..
And yet, those ^^ people generally speaking, are quite open to the real world flaws of EVs. I certainly am! They are not a visceral as ICEs, which if you're a "car person" could be an issue, today they are expensive, in limited supply, and have a relatively short range, compared to state of the art ICEs.1) Boring - yes possibly, but lots of people drive diesel nissans and toyotas, which are also very boring, so if you drive one of those, you can drive an EV
2) Expensive - yes, but lots of cars are expensive. People spend £60k on something like an M3 and sit in traffic at 3mph for 99.9% of their time. And of course, the costs of EVs are falling, and falling fast
3) Limited supply - definitely, but this is a temporary issue, as more and more resource is pushed behind EVs,t hey will be available in ever increasing numbers
4) Range - more of a "mental issue". EVs currently can't do 600 miles on one charge. However, the main reason people need long range is because this is what they are used too. Most EV owners i speak too get over their "range anxiety" very quickly, and most would not go back to an ICE. Yes, some people do need to drive long distances without stopping, but in reality, that is a small segment of the market, especially in the UK
5) Unresolved, incomplete charging network - probably the biggest issue really, the one that people think is a problem. However, it's really not that hard to sort out your charging requirements, and for most people, certainly the people buying EVs today as second cars for local commuting, the vast majority (>98% in terms of energy transferred) is done at home. The current network is actually well underused, and it is getting bigger all the time. A step change is probably needed in terms of payment logistics, so a std payment card (debit/credit) can be used at any charger imo.
So yes, EVs DO have issues, but i can't see any particular issue that is really either unsolvable, can't be resolved with some education and explanation, or that in any way isn't massively outweighed by the enormousness positive advantages an EV brings to everyday private transit.
I’ll just have to keep the MX5 then.
But for serious driving they're some way off for at least a few years. My current mx5 track car is expiring and i cant think what to replace it with as most of the ICE alternatives are way too heavy for enjoyable and serious track work.
That thing was MOVING. It must feel like being shot out of a canon. From a pure performance point of view, I just love it.
Regular road cars are benefiting from rapid advances in battery range / performance. The recent e-Leaf has had something like a 40% increase in range using the same sized batteries. They could have used the new density batteries and used 40% smaller batteries, achieving weight saving, and performance instead, but clearly, this is something that can be thought about in the design phase of new models. I expect they chose to go for range, just because the packaging was there already. Given the 40% increase of the e-Leaf, and more to come in the near future, EV's are appealing to more and more regular people. Add to that, there are new 1,000 mph chargers on the way, and again, the tech is ever evolving. Not to mention those who generate solar power, and can get free "fuel", and never have to visit a petrol station again.
As to the rest of you knuckle dragging luddites, who cares what you think? You wont buy them, and the makers wont miss your lack of custom. In the meantime, the technology will continue in leaps and bounds, and they'll continue to hoover up records.
Regular road cars are benefiting from rapid advances in battery range / performance. The recent e-Leaf has had something like a 40% increase in range using the same sized batteries. They could have used the new density batteries and used 40% smaller batteries, achieving weight saving, and performance instead, but clearly, this is something that can be thought about in the design phase of new models. I expect they chose to go for range, just because the packaging was there already. Given the 40% increase of the e-Leaf, and more to come in the near future, EV's are appealing to more and more regular people. Add to that, there are new 1,000 mph chargers on the way, and again, the tech is ever evolving. Not to mention those who generate solar power, and can get free "fuel", and never have to visit a petrol station again.
As to the rest of you knuckle dragging luddites, who cares what you think? You wont buy them, and the makers wont miss your lack of custom. In the meantime, the technology will continue in leaps and bounds, and they'll continue to hoover up records.
Welshbeef said:
Who knows maybe Porsche 919EVO might now come out of do a crazy lap they have been invited but said NEIN
Porsche has decided to go electric, as it's the most logical next tech step. It would be commercial suicide if they were to try and outdo VW with their old tech, even if they would succeed.whp1983 said:
The don’t poison us.... just the people/children that dig up the chemicals that go into the batteries before they are shipped out of the DRC. That aside, it was an immense lap!
Companies manage to dig up oil, diamonds and whatever without poisoning anyone, no need to poison anyone mining Lithium and Cobalt, that isnt the fault of EV's, thats down to local companies to sort out and pressure should be brought to bear to now allow it. PhantomPH said:
I would imagine an EV like that is perfect for the hillclimb, with the 'instant torque' available. That's what I noticed from the Friday run - the car seemed the same pace as other vehicles through the corners/flint wall, but it got back up to speed faster than any ICE vehicle I've seen on The Hill for a long time.
Superior torque and being able to put that to the tarmac is what broke the record. Nice work!
Yep, very sensible strategy by VW to go for hill climbing as an electric car showcase, electric motors are full of torque from a standing start and the limited range required doesn’t make it too heavy with batteries. The “Goodwood-spec” ID-R has most of the batteries removed from previous competitions, it couldn’t go up twice without charging! Superior torque and being able to put that to the tarmac is what broke the record. Nice work!
I still really want to see the modern F1 and LMP machinery driven in anger up the Goodwood hill though. Given the track’s been resurfaced and a number of safety improvements over the last 20 years, it would keep up interest in the actual competition as well as the event if there were four or five different categories of car competing for the title.
king a milk floatFourWheelDrift said:
Amazing driving and tech, bloody quick. Just add a mental V12 scream to 'feel' the speed. Then take it away and it's still there. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff