RE: Mercedes-AMG A35 vs VW Golf R | PH Video
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jl4069 said:
it would be a interesting test, however most magazines in the US/Uk stay away from doing these sorts of tests. At most you'll see is a 4wd hatch thrown in at a handling day or car of year type thing; but never a purposeful comparison test down a wet b road. Sucks. I don't think the manufacturers like them comparing such similar models from within their ranges. Wish the manufacturers didn't have such influence. j
Be interesting to see EVO re-run this test with the NKOTB like the RS3, R and A45AMG
I've seen a couple of mags do similar and of course Autocar used to run cars around the wet and dry handling track for subjective opinion. Not really comparable though as obviously tested on different days, conditions etc
Can you even buy a bad hot hatch these days?
Each have their own merits, these seem pretty evenly matched which imo shows how good all cars have got over the last few years... how do they improve on these other than making them ‘faster’ in a straight line?
These 2 are fully personal preference, anyone who has the A35 could have bought the R so the 35 must have done something good for them.
Each have their own merits, these seem pretty evenly matched which imo shows how good all cars have got over the last few years... how do they improve on these other than making them ‘faster’ in a straight line?
These 2 are fully personal preference, anyone who has the A35 could have bought the R so the 35 must have done something good for them.
ZX10R NIN said:
At pretty much 40k for either of these with decent spec, I couldn't see myself not finding the extra for an A45/RS3.
I don't think you need £5k of options to make then decent nor that you won't get a substantial discount so you're looking closer to £30k than £40k, don't you think? nickfrog said:
I don't think you need £5k of options to make then decent nor that you won't get a substantial discount so you're looking closer to £30k than £40k, don't you think?
I agree but a lot of people do hit the options list to that tune on a lot of new cars (packs see to this) & remember they'll be discounts on the 45 (not straight away though) so the margin will be consistent.Deep Thought said:
scottygib553 said:
Nobody in to tell us how great their Civic is with a few anecdotes about how they overtook someone in a Golf R, making it the better car?
Yeah not like the Honda fanboys to miss an opportunityBut apparently the Civic is actually a rival for the A45, not the A35....
What bothers is me is some posters here saying the Golf looks too subtle and they’d have the A35 with the aero pack with the silly looking slats on the bumpers and a rear wing that looks out of place. Honda come in and make something look purposeful and suddenly it’s silly?? Badge snobbery hypocrisy. Nothing more to it.
Anyways, my question re the sooty exhausts on the Golf R or any petrol car, the exhausts on my Type R get dirty within a week of cleaning them yet the 2 pipes on my 3.0 diesel 4 series never got dirty or sooty. I thought diesels were dirty? Can anyone explain how that works?
Cheers
Chestrockwell said:
What bothers is me is some posters here saying the Golf looks too subtle and they’d have the A35 with the aero pack with the silly looking slats on the bumpers and a rear wing that looks out of place. Honda come in and make something look purposeful and suddenly it’s silly?? Badge snobbery hypocrisy. Nothing more to it.
No. The Civic looks silly.Though personally i wouldnt have the Aero pack on an A35 / A45. We didnt with ours.
The problem isnt necessarily the bits that Honda did to make it in to a Type R. Its the way the standard car looks in the first place.
Unnecessarily over styled front and rear. Particularly the bumpers.
Edited by Deep Thought on Sunday 7th July 12:04
Chestrockwell said:
Civic Type R has a higher top speed than both cars in question, more power and a Nurburgring ring time of 7.43. It’s also cheaper with more kit standard and 3 real exhausts, all of which are functional and a wing providing downforce
It would be interesting to know how fast you've been with it and what ring lap time you got with all that downforce. nickfrog said:
Chestrockwell said:
Civic Type R has a higher top speed than both cars in question, more power and a Nurburgring ring time of 7.43. It’s also cheaper with more kit standard and 3 real exhausts, all of which are functional and a wing providing downforce
It would be interesting to know how fast you've been with it and what ring lap time you got with all that downforce. Sorry I didn’t want to say anything but Mr Deep Thought asked for these facts
Chestrockwell said:
Civic Type R has a higher top speed than both cars in question, more power and a Nurburgring ring time of 7.43. It’s also cheaper with more kit standard and 3 real exhausts, all of which are functional and a wing providing downforce
What bothers is me is some posters here saying the Golf looks too subtle and they’d have the A35 with the aero pack with the silly looking slats on the bumpers and a rear wing that looks out of place. Honda come in and make something look purposeful and suddenly it’s silly?? Badge snobbery hypocrisy. Nothing more to it.
Anyways, my question re the sooty exhausts on the Golf R or any petrol car, the exhausts on my Type R get dirty within a week of cleaning them yet the 2 pipes on my 3.0 diesel 4 series never got dirty or sooty. I thought diesels were dirty? Can anyone explain how that works?
Cheers
Some people think that the Honda is ugly, those same people might like the look of the A class with the wings on, that is allowed. Its a bit sad to jump straight to the badge snobbery thing just because someone likes something different to you.What bothers is me is some posters here saying the Golf looks too subtle and they’d have the A35 with the aero pack with the silly looking slats on the bumpers and a rear wing that looks out of place. Honda come in and make something look purposeful and suddenly it’s silly?? Badge snobbery hypocrisy. Nothing more to it.
Anyways, my question re the sooty exhausts on the Golf R or any petrol car, the exhausts on my Type R get dirty within a week of cleaning them yet the 2 pipes on my 3.0 diesel 4 series never got dirty or sooty. I thought diesels were dirty? Can anyone explain how that works?
Cheers
Chestrockwell said:
Anyways, my question re the sooty exhausts on the Golf R or any petrol car, the exhausts on my Type R get dirty within a week of cleaning them yet the 2 pipes on my 3.0 diesel 4 series never got dirty or sooty. I thought diesels were dirty? Can anyone explain how that works?
Particulate filters. Most diesels have had a DPF for about 15 years now, but it's only since EU6c came into force last year that they've started appearing on petrol engines.
A direct injection petrol engine produces quite a bit of soot. It's finer than the equivalent diesel soot though so it's much more difficult to see. It still manages to discolour exhaust tailpipes though.
You'll find that 68-plate and newer cars don't have the dirty exhausts of older ones.
Chestrockwell said:
Haven’t done either, I’ve got a few track days in mind but the downforce will never benefit me, I just like knowing my car is built with intent and honesty. The engine is also bespoke built only for the Type R and the Ariel Nomad I think? The A35 uses a remapped engine of all 250 badged Mercs and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.
Sorry I didn’t want to say anything but Mr Deep Thought asked for these facts
Facts? Sorry I didn’t want to say anything but Mr Deep Thought asked for these facts
Yeah i think the "facts" of the A35 engine are that its a lot more than just a remapped 250 engine.
DoubleD said:
Some people think that the Honda is ugly, those same people might like the look of the A class with the wings on, that is allowed. Its a bit sad to jump straight to the badge snobbery thing just because someone likes something different to you.
As i've said repeatedly, we should be celebrating the wealth of choice out there in the hot hatch market. Theres something to suit everyone and no right or wrong answer.
Never been a massive fan of the new A class from an aesthetical point of view but I quite like the car in the video. Seems like a decent half way house between the relatively subtle Golf R and the relatively outlandish Type R. It's good that not only it there is the potential to choose something from either end of the scale but there are various points covered in between as well.
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