RE: Mercedes-AMG A35 vs VW Golf R | PH Video

[philmots]

Chestrockwell said:

Haven’t done either, I’ve got a few track days in mind but the downforce will never benefit me, I just like knowing my car is built with intent and honesty. The engine is also bespoke built only for the Type R and the Ariel Nomad I think? The A35 uses a remapped engine of all 250 badged Mercs and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

Sorry I didn’t want to say anything but Mr Deep Thought asked for these facts

I’m all for debate but get your facts right.

The A35 lump is based on the A250 lump... but, it’s got a new, bigger twin scroll turbo, injectors to match - it’s also got forged internals and a different sump etc, it’s fully bespoke to the A35 with quite a few changes.

The 2.0 in the R is the same as my Cupra and for a 2.0T it’s a masterpiece regardless of what else they put it in.

The CTR engine is great too apparently, I’ve not driven it - although I’ve seen one on the RR not making close to quoted power. it’s got a higher top speed as it’s not limited like the other 2... why rubbish what the 2 have got?

For what it’s worth I don’t think the CTR is a rival for these, I don’t think you’d choose either over either. I love the CTR and see it as special like Renault Sport etc, but its no good for me to run as a daily. After 2 1/2 years with a manual Cupra 300 I really want 4WD and an auto box, if the CTR was both of them I’d consider it too.

[The Vambo]

Chestrockwell said:

The engine is also bespoke built only for the Type R and the Ariel Nomad I think? The A35 uses a remapped engine of all 250 badged Mercs and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

Is that right?

The US 2.0T Accord and Type R engines are about as related as the A250 and A35 AMG engines.

1. You talk a lot but don't know very much.

2. You must be really ashamed now you have an Accord engine.

[exgtt]

Manufacturers don’t remap to upspec their engines lol. It’s usually different turbo/injectors/cooling/map/sensors at the minimum.

[Chestrockwell]

philmots said:

Chestrockwell said:

Haven’t done either, I’ve got a few track days in mind but the downforce will never benefit me, I just like knowing my car is built with intent and honesty. The engine is also bespoke built only for the Type R and the Ariel Nomad I think? The A35 uses a remapped engine of all 250 badged Mercs and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

Sorry I didn’t want to say anything but Mr Deep Thought asked for these facts

I’m all for debate but get your facts right.

The A35 lump is based on the A250 lump... but, it’s got a new, bigger twin scroll turbo, injectors to match - it’s also got forged internals and a different sump etc, it’s fully bespoke to the A35 with quite a few changes.

The 2.0 in the R is the same as my Cupra and for a 2.0T it’s a masterpiece regardless of what else they put it in.

The CTR engine is great too apparently, I’ve not driven it - although I’ve seen one on the RR not making close to quoted power. it’s got a higher top speed as it’s not limited like the other 2... why rubbish what the 2 have got?

For what it’s worth I don’t think the CTR is a rival for these, I don’t think you’d choose either over either. I love the CTR and see it as special like Renault Sport etc, but its no good for me to run as a daily. After 2 1/2 years with a manual Cupra 300 I really want 4WD and an auto box, if the CTR was both of them I’d consider it too.

To be honest I’m only having a laugh and a small wind up as a few posters asked where the Honda fanboys are at

The Golf R is a top car as is the A35 however I always see negative comments towards the Type R for looking the way it is yet people complain about the Golf R being boring and people saying they prefer the A35 with the rear wing and slats in the bumpers, I’m here to question their comments.

As for specialness, the A35’s 2.0 lump isn’t built in Affalterbach, it’s a hotter 4 Matic A250 with AMG badges as is the C43 AMG, they don’t even use the new straight 6 in the latest facelift. The Golf R...well I’ve got nothing bad to say about it really. Both are top cars but I’m here to say the Type R is more bespoke yet frowned upon by the majority

[Chestrockwell]

The Vambo said:

Chestrockwell said:

The engine is also bespoke built only for the Type R and the Ariel Nomad I think? The A35 uses a remapped engine of all 250 badged Mercs and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

Is that right?

The US 2.0T Accord and Type R engines are about as related as the A250 and A35 AMG engines.

1. You talk a lot but don't know very much.

2. You must be really ashamed now you have an Accord engine.

Nothing wrong with that, only pointing out how bespoke the Civic is

[DoubleD]

Why would you care what other cars an engine is or isnt in?!

[shantybeater]

Neither do it for me really but golf looks nicer. Always thought the four exhausts were ridiculous, and a crying shame to the central dual's which looked so good on the R's before it. It's gone from one of my favourite features of the R, to my least favourite. They are also common as muck which removes any specialness of owning one.

[anonymous-user]

Chestrockwell said:

Haven’t done either, I’ve got a few track days in mind but the downforce will never benefit me, I just like knowing my car is built with intent and honesty. The engine is also bespoke built only for the Type R and the Ariel Nomad I think? The A35 uses a remapped engine of all 250 badged Mercs and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

Sorry I didn’t want to say anything but Mr Deep Thought asked for these facts

The K24 isn’t built ‘bespoke’ for a Nomad, it’s a standard production engine. Also, the K24 is a problem child in that the head design isn’t as good as the K20. Let’s not let facts get in the way but the best ‘engine’ is actually a K24 block with the K20 head, sprinkled with various parts.

[RemyMartin81D]

shantybeater said:

Neither do it for me really but golf looks nicer. Always thought the four exhausts were ridiculous, and a crying shame to the central dual's which looked so good on the R's before it. It's gone from one of my favourite features of the R, to my least favourite. They are also common as muck which removes any specialness of owning one.

Definitely a victim of its own success, so so many around. Almost see one at least every journey by car these days. The stolen to order part would seriously effect my decision to want one, sadly.

[DoubleD]

RemyMartin81D said:

Definitely a victim of its own success, so so many around. Almost see one at least every journey by car these days.

VW must be so annoyed about that.

[Chrisjay91]

Cups Renault said:

Fart, fart four pot
Why the four exhausts?

Fart fart Renault only do 4 pot

[Nors]

DoubleD said:

RemyMartin81D said:

Definitely a victim of its own success, so so many around. Almost see one at least every journey by car these days.

VW must be so annoyed about that.

Yup, Victim & Success, do they really go in the same sentence in the corporate sales manual?

[Nors]

exgtt said:

Manufacturers don’t remap to upspec their engines lol. It’s usually different turbo/injectors/cooling/map/sensors at the minimum.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the option for manufacturers to just re-map didn't really exist due to their obligations to the emission settings / restrictions and that aftermarket re-maps get their gains by ignoring those settings to release the bhp.

[nickfrog]

Nors said:

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the option for manufacturers to just re-map didn't really exist due to their obligations to the emission settings / restrictions and that aftermarket re-maps get their gains by ignoring those settings to release the bhp.

I am sure they have plenty of map options when they develop the coding for the ECU. And then they pick one. They sometimes pick different maps on the same block for different applications / models.

[Save the manuals]

I’d go with the Golf. The Merc has way too much bling, especially the interior. Drove a standard A-class rental car a few weeks ago, and the hyperactive lane keeping assist drove me mad. Would sometimes for no good reason slam the brakes when cutting a (perfectly well sighted) corner. Not sure if it’s standard though. A bit surprised none of the reviews have mentioned this!

[Wills2]

Chestrockwell said:

and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

What was that about badge snobbery?

[Court_S]

Wills2 said:

Chestrockwell said:

and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

What was that about badge snobbery?

The irony is strong here...

Even worse, the chassis can also be found in a Skoda as can lots of the switchgear. The horror! :lol:

[Chestrockwell]

Court_S said:

Wills2 said:

Chestrockwell said:

and the 2.0 of the Golf can be found in a Skoda.

What was that about badge snobbery?

The irony is strong here...

Even worse, the chassis can also be found in a Skoda as can lots of the switchgear. The horror! :lol:

I’m not a badge snob as I picked a Honda that cost more than the equivalent M140i, Golf R and S3.

What I meant about the Skoda comment is that the engine from the fabled special Golf R can be found in the budget brand under the VAG umbrella in a non performance model.

Meaning: Honda is more special

[Northbloke]

I've had a bog standard A35 for a week now (under £30k DTD).

Even with no expensive packs it has plenty of kit and totally loving it so far.

I'm no Stirling Moss but it is very easy to drive briskly plus its understated looks (without aero pack) suit me fine.

Also a pussy cat around town and 40mpg. Works for me.

[cerb4.5lee]

I'd go for the Merc purely because the Golf has never done anything for me. If I was still 17 years old though I would consider the Civic Type R for sure. From what I've read the Civic is better to drive than both of these.