RE: Mercedes-AMG A35 vs VW Golf R | PH Video
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Cups Renault said:
Fart, fart four pot
Why the four exhausts?
If it had just the 2 exhausts, " it just looks like a gti , needs something to set it apart, more exhausts blah ,blah " cant win Why the four exhausts?
nice little vid,.......... now i know its not What Car, but how about a quick look around the inside, rear seats , boot etc ?
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd go for the Merc purely because the Golf has never done anything for me. If I was still 17 years old though I would consider the Civic Type R for sure. From what I've read the Civic is better to drive than both of these.
The Type R would get way more attention at the maccy D drive through from the teenage girls as an added bonus!Northbloke said:
I've had a bog standard A35 for a week now (under £30k DTD).
Even with no expensive packs it has plenty of kit and totally loving it so far.
I'm no Stirling Moss but it is very easy to drive briskly plus its understated looks (without aero pack) suit me fine.
Also a pussy cat around town and 40mpg. Works for me.
Sounds like a brilliant all rounder at a very good price. Even with no expensive packs it has plenty of kit and totally loving it so far.
I'm no Stirling Moss but it is very easy to drive briskly plus its understated looks (without aero pack) suit me fine.
Also a pussy cat around town and 40mpg. Works for me.
Ultrafunkula said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd go for the Merc purely because the Golf has never done anything for me. If I was still 17 years old though I would consider the Civic Type R for sure. From what I've read the Civic is better to drive than both of these.
The Type R would get way more attention at the maccy D drive through from the teenage girls as an added bonus!Chestrockwell said:
I’m not a badge snob as I picked a Honda that cost more than the equivalent M140i, Golf R and S3.
What I meant about the Skoda comment is that the engine from the fabled special Golf R can be found in the budget brand under the VAG umbrella in a non performance model.
Meaning: Honda is more special
Likewise, the Ford GT isn't special, nor the Dodge Viper, with their truck engines. I'd also rule out a Veyron on the basis that half of its engine can be found under the bonnet of a Passat. What I meant about the Skoda comment is that the engine from the fabled special Golf R can be found in the budget brand under the VAG umbrella in a non performance model.
Meaning: Honda is more special
legless said:
Likewise, the Ford GT isn't special, nor the Dodge Viper, with their truck engines. I'd also rule out a Veyron on the basis that half of its engine can be found under the bonnet of a Passat.
Very poor from you, to think that’s what I meant. I don’t know why posters keep coming back for more!
The Type R is special in its class, it’s completely different to the models below it. Nearly everything mechanically is different, has a wider body, different seats, bigger wheels, adaptive dampers all standard. It’s a complete car from the factory with no options that enhance the car further.
Not taking away anything from the A35 and Golf R but they’re normal premium hatchbacks with powerful engines. I’d say they’re warm hatchbacks if anything. Nearly everything is an option and a standard A35 looks like a standard AMG line bar the (fake) exhausts. Everyone says adaptive dampers are a must yet they’re an option. They’re not purpose built like the Civic, that’s all I’m saying babe
Ultrafunkula said:
The Type R would get way more attention at the maccy D drive through from the teenage girls as an added bonus!
Well if we’re using stereo types, how about the A35, I get a 4 emails a week from leasing companies on the amazing deals they have on them, even Mercedes are giving them away with huge discounts.So, Civic Type R - Mcdonalds and 17 year old girls (it’s a damn shame it doesnt have a proper handbrake to appeal to the ladies more)
A35 - Fake tan, live with parents
s who change gear 3 times when accelerating in busy high streets to show off. Paying 300 a month and in negative equity until the write the car off when drunk driving back from a nightclub.The reality is that you have to be stupid to PCP/Lease a Type R as there are next to no discounts and non negotiable 5% interest rates.
Type R = enthusiast car
A35 = show offs car
This is going by your logic
Chestrockwell said:
Ultrafunkula said:
The Type R would get way more attention at the maccy D drive through from the teenage girls as an added bonus!
Well if we’re using stereo types, how about the A35, I get a 4 emails a week from leasing companies on the amazing deals they have on them, even Mercedes are giving them away with huge discounts.So, Civic Type R - Mcdonalds and 17 year old girls (it’s a damn shame it doesnt have a proper handbrake to appeal to the ladies more)
A35 - Fake tan, live with parents
s who change gear 3 times when accelerating in busy high streets to show off. Paying 300 a month and in negative equity until the write the car off when drunk driving back from a nightclub.The reality is that you have to be stupid to PCP/Lease a Type R as there are next to no discounts and non negotiable 5% interest rates.
Type R = enthusiast car
A35 = show offs car
This is going by your logic
Chestrockwell said:
legless said:
Likewise, the Ford GT isn't special, nor the Dodge Viper, with their truck engines. I'd also rule out a Veyron on the basis that half of its engine can be found under the bonnet of a Passat.
Not taking away anything from the A35 and Golf R but they’re normal premium hatchbacks with powerful engines. I’d say they’re warm hatchbacks if anything. 
I suppose when you can get 400 plus bhp ones it does kind of knock them down a notch.
J4CKO said:
Chestrockwell said:
legless said:
Likewise, the Ford GT isn't special, nor the Dodge Viper, with their truck engines. I'd also rule out a Veyron on the basis that half of its engine can be found under the bonnet of a Passat.
Not taking away anything from the A35 and Golf R but they’re normal premium hatchbacks with powerful engines. I’d say they’re warm hatchbacks if anything. I suppose when you can get 400 plus bhp ones it does kind of knock them down a notch.
Deep Thought said:
J4CKO said:
Chestrockwell said:
legless said:
Likewise, the Ford GT isn't special, nor the Dodge Viper, with their truck engines. I'd also rule out a Veyron on the basis that half of its engine can be found under the bonnet of a Passat.
Not taking away anything from the A35 and Golf R but they’re normal premium hatchbacks with powerful engines. I’d say they’re warm hatchbacks if anything. I suppose when you can get 400 plus bhp ones it does kind of knock them down a notch.
Interesting comparison. It would be interesting to drive the A35 but, if the video is accurate in its assessment that they are almost impossible to seperate, I would likely choose the Golf. It may be a generation behind the A-class, but that's no bad thing in my view. If the A-class interior is what modern car interiors should be like, then I'd rather be old fashioned. The Golf is better looking, inside and out. Going to be really interesting to see what the new one is like. The 7R is a tough act to follow.
That being said, if I wanted a practical, every day hot hatch, I would probably go i30N. The Golf impressed me, but I always craved a bit more of a wild side from it.
That being said, if I wanted a practical, every day hot hatch, I would probably go i30N. The Golf impressed me, but I always craved a bit more of a wild side from it.
simonbamg said:
New A45s for me
But that's not really a rival to the Golf R, is it? Certainly not in the same price category!ToothbrushMan said:
think if my 6 numbers came up tonight I would go and order £40k-45k worth of golf. seems a great all rounder although I think I prefer the look of the Mk7 than the 7.5 as it has gone a bit too far backwards on the subtlety stakes and is even more GTD look-e-likee than the mk7.
Agreed. I had a 2016 Golf R and thought they ruined it a bit with the facelift. The interior is nicer, but the black sides skirts and restyled front bumper have made it look less special - a shame it was almost too subtle as it was.ZX10R NIN said:
At pretty much 40k for either of these with decent spec, I couldn't see myself not finding the extra for an A45/RS3.
Why do they need so many options? My Golf R had no options (lease special, sorry PH) and I didn't think it lacked much. Maybe nav, but I think that became standard further down the line. They're pretty well equipped really.Be interesting to see if the M135i brings anything to the segment.
That said, if you take out the prejudice involving LCD screens, exhaust count, leasing, cylinders = 4, exhaust noises and these not being the absolute top end of the Hot Hatch pantheon, they are still pretty amazing all rounders that cover so many bases.
If you had said say, 15 years ago you would be able to have something that has more power than an Impreza STi for £300 a month, that would do 40 mpg on a run, could be serviced like any other car, had a nice interior and didnt make too much of a statement, you would have thought they were mad.
I think on forums its easy for people to say how boring it all is, most motoring is pretty dull whatever you are in, these make a great compromise and separate out the familiarity breeding contempt they are pretty fantastic, not the ultimate last word in anything but great all rounders that you dont have to make too many allowances for.
I would take the A35, I like the looks and I am a sucker for tech, had a quick nose round a new A class and the screens work really well, and realistically, you arent going to get a motalita steering wheel, burr Walnut and a full complement of Smiths dials in any modern hatch.
All very well saying you would go for the A45, or an RS3, bu they are a fair price hike up from these models, probably overall, half as much again, whether its better or not is one thing, of course it is but that extra cost is a bridge too far for a lot of people, there is always a remap to redress a little of the balance power wise......
I cant really get upset about car manufacturers providing 300 odd bhp 4wd hot hatches, still plenty of other decent options as well, ST Fords, Hyundai N's, Civic etc.
That said, if you take out the prejudice involving LCD screens, exhaust count, leasing, cylinders = 4, exhaust noises and these not being the absolute top end of the Hot Hatch pantheon, they are still pretty amazing all rounders that cover so many bases.
If you had said say, 15 years ago you would be able to have something that has more power than an Impreza STi for £300 a month, that would do 40 mpg on a run, could be serviced like any other car, had a nice interior and didnt make too much of a statement, you would have thought they were mad.
I think on forums its easy for people to say how boring it all is, most motoring is pretty dull whatever you are in, these make a great compromise and separate out the familiarity breeding contempt they are pretty fantastic, not the ultimate last word in anything but great all rounders that you dont have to make too many allowances for.
I would take the A35, I like the looks and I am a sucker for tech, had a quick nose round a new A class and the screens work really well, and realistically, you arent going to get a motalita steering wheel, burr Walnut and a full complement of Smiths dials in any modern hatch.
All very well saying you would go for the A45, or an RS3, bu they are a fair price hike up from these models, probably overall, half as much again, whether its better or not is one thing, of course it is but that extra cost is a bridge too far for a lot of people, there is always a remap to redress a little of the balance power wise......
I cant really get upset about car manufacturers providing 300 odd bhp 4wd hot hatches, still plenty of other decent options as well, ST Fords, Hyundai N's, Civic etc.
DoubleD said:
Deep Thought said:
J4CKO said:
Chestrockwell said:
legless said:
Likewise, the Ford GT isn't special, nor the Dodge Viper, with their truck engines. I'd also rule out a Veyron on the basis that half of its engine can be found under the bonnet of a Passat.
Not taking away anything from the A35 and Golf R but they’re normal premium hatchbacks with powerful engines. I’d say they’re warm hatchbacks if anything. I suppose when you can get 400 plus bhp ones it does kind of knock them down a notch.
The M135i/M140i is deliberately held back so it doesn’t step on the M2’s toes.
The rest are 7/10ths cars, the M140i drove a year ago was brilliant and would leave my Civic for dead most of the time but the harder you push it, the less confidence you feel. The MK7.5 Golf GTI I had for 2 months is nothing more than an already great Golf with a powerful engine. Doesn’t come anywhere near my Civic and rightly so, it’s a warm hatch. I mention the Golf GTI as I imagine the Golf R would be similar. Correct me if I’m wrong
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