RE: Bloodhound LSR back on track
Discussion
shakotan said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
wab172uk said:
Lets hope they succeed this time. Sadly it'll probably end up being another story of cash flow problems next year.
It's a great project for all those involved, but not really relevant in todays world. I'd have thought the next goal for land speed records will come from EV cars. I can see car manufacturers being involved to get bragging rights as to who can hit the fastest speeds. Now that would probably push technology to create better road EV cars, which sadly is the way it's going.
Current land speed record? I'd rather have faster broadband. Sad but true.
That last line. Delete your account mate. It's a great project for all those involved, but not really relevant in todays world. I'd have thought the next goal for land speed records will come from EV cars. I can see car manufacturers being involved to get bragging rights as to who can hit the fastest speeds. Now that would probably push technology to create better road EV cars, which sadly is the way it's going.
Current land speed record? I'd rather have faster broadband. Sad but true.
Turfy said:
No understanding of the big picture and what striving to push the boundaries achieves in the big picture.
These are genuine questions as I have no idea;What technologies or processes learnt from the last land speed record have been translated into something that is in wide use today?
What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
Other than being a spectacular feet of single minded engineering, and bravery/skill of the driver, what does this project achieve in the big picture?
You seem to be the one in the know.
Brilliant that this is moving forward again, the "lets see if we can" mindset has got us where we are today as a species. Moon landings, robots on Mars and driving through a desert at 1000mph - just because... awesome
Edit to add - Redbull to sponsor (surely?!) and can we please have Allan McNish commentating for the actual runs?
Edit to add - Redbull to sponsor (surely?!) and can we please have Allan McNish commentating for the actual runs?
Edited by krisdelta on Wednesday 10th July 12:46
gigglebug said:
What technologies or processes learnt from the last land speed record have been translated into something that is in wide use today?
What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
This project will give mounds of data about turbulent fluid flow, supersonic fluid flow, materials science, and aerodynamics. I expect other areas of engineering and science will also benefit from the data and findings. It is impossible to say what direct benefits there will be. There were unexpected benefits of the space programme. By taking things to an extreme and pushing boundaries we learn unexpected and new things. What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
Plus i think it is cool and should be done because we haven't done it before.
mr_spock said:
As hinted at in an earlier comment, if the wheels are only 2mm in the surface, and the aero is keeping it straight and level, how is this not an aircraft? At some point it "takes off".
Because none of the aero surfaces can move, so yes aero stuff is critical to keeping it pointing in the right direction, but the aerodynamics aren't used to control it directly as they are in an aircraft. It is still effectively driven with a steering wheel and a heavy right foot.As I understand it.
binnerboy said:
gigglebug said:
What technologies or processes learnt from the last land speed record have been translated into something that is in wide use today?
What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
This project will give mounds of data about turbulent fluid flow, supersonic fluid flow, materials science, and aerodynamics. I expect other areas of engineering and science will also benefit from the data and findings. It is impossible to say what direct benefits there will be. There were unexpected benefits of the space programme. By taking things to an extreme and pushing boundaries we learn unexpected and new things. What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
Plus i think it is cool and should be done because we haven't done it before.
The world’s a much better place for having people like Richard Noble and Andy Green around, good luck to them and their mad 1000mph rocket car
binnerboy said:
gigglebug said:
What technologies or processes learnt from the last land speed record have been translated into something that is in wide use today?
What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
This project will give mounds of data about turbulent fluid flow, supersonic fluid flow, materials science, and aerodynamics. I expect other areas of engineering and science will also benefit from the data and findings. It is impossible to say what direct benefits there will be. There were unexpected benefits of the space programme. By taking things to an extreme and pushing boundaries we learn unexpected and new things. What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
Plus i think it is cool and should be done because we haven't done it before.
As humans, we are where we are through exploration. That you're typing on your keyboard, pressing submit and watching it appear on an Internet Forum, is only a thing because CERN needed a way to transport the data from a 'pointless' particle experiment several km away, back to the research lab the other side of their Particle Accelerator. When the people at CERN drew the budget together to make it, they didn't have listed 'we envisage that as a result of this, we'll develop the first communication protocol in the world that will enable the networking of every person in the world to everyone else, and all of human knowledge ever created'. They listed 'we'll be looking at the results of particle collisions at near light speed to understand the makeup of matter'. I'm sure some pessimistic person bemoaned the fact that the money would have been better spent on the homeless or children's education. Needless to say the internet has probably done more for both than a few hundred million Swiss Franc's could have ever done.
Without going into massive detail, land speed records have taught the engineering community plenty. There's a better understanding of high strength alloys and the behaviour of supersonic air close to ground was largely unknown previous to Thrust SSC. I suspect there's also many other safety systems that have been created as a result of previous land speed records, and many of the early advancements of tyres were as a result of a need to do higher speeds for land speed records.
In my opinion, the moment we stop pushing to do ever more crazy things like land speed records, missions to Mars or particle accelerators is the day that we condemn our species and the entirety of human history to extinction on this tiny spit of sand. If we're ever going to exist longer than another few thousand years, we have to keep the momentum.
j90gta said:
This has engaged plenty of children through many school science projects. My son was one of those youngsters who had his name included in the original livery; presume this won't be part of any proposed new sponsorship.
If you're talking about names on the tail, BLSR have said they're keeping them 
I for one am overjoyed to see this. Followed from the early days and can't wait to see the car being run in anger.
gigglebug said:
Turfy said:
No understanding of the big picture and what striving to push the boundaries achieves in the big picture.
These are genuine questions as I have no idea;What technologies or processes learnt from the last land speed record have been translated into something that is in wide use today?
What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
Other than being a spectacular feet of single minded engineering, and bravery/skill of the driver, what does this project achieve in the big picture?
You seem to be the one in the know.
What is left to invent? Everything...
RacerMike said:
Exactly this. It always frustrates me how many people fail to understand the importance of pushing boundaries and exploring. If Christopher Colombus had just said 'why bother...it's probably just some more land. We've got plenty here. It'd just be a waste of time and money' or NASA had said 'well...it's just a grey rock 250,000 miles away, what's the point?' then there's all sorts of things we wouldn't have. We'd probably all still be living under the rule of God's appointed King and fighting over scraps of squirrel meat. Predicting what one will discover through exploration is impossible.
As humans, we are where we are through exploration. That you're typing on your keyboard, pressing submit and watching it appear on an Internet Forum, is only a thing because CERN needed a way to transport the data from a 'pointless' particle experiment several km away, back to the research lab the other side of their Particle Accelerator. When the people at CERN drew the budget together to make it, they didn't have listed 'we envisage that as a result of this, we'll develop the first communication protocol in the world that will enable the networking of every person in the world to everyone else, and all of human knowledge ever created'. They listed 'we'll be looking at the results of particle collisions at near light speed to understand the makeup of matter'. I'm sure some pessimistic person bemoaned the fact that the money would have been better spent on the homeless or children's education. Needless to say the internet has probably done more for both than a few hundred million Swiss Franc's could have ever done.
Without going into massive detail, land speed records have taught the engineering community plenty. There's a better understanding of high strength alloys and the behaviour of supersonic air close to ground was largely unknown previous to Thrust SSC. I suspect there's also many other safety systems that have been created as a result of previous land speed records, and many of the early advancements of tyres were as a result of a need to do higher speeds for land speed records.
In my opinion, the moment we stop pushing to do ever more crazy things like land speed records, missions to Mars or particle accelerators is the day that we condemn our species and the entirety of human history to extinction on this tiny spit of sand. If we're ever going to exist longer than another few thousand years, we have to keep the momentum.
Outstanding post As humans, we are where we are through exploration. That you're typing on your keyboard, pressing submit and watching it appear on an Internet Forum, is only a thing because CERN needed a way to transport the data from a 'pointless' particle experiment several km away, back to the research lab the other side of their Particle Accelerator. When the people at CERN drew the budget together to make it, they didn't have listed 'we envisage that as a result of this, we'll develop the first communication protocol in the world that will enable the networking of every person in the world to everyone else, and all of human knowledge ever created'. They listed 'we'll be looking at the results of particle collisions at near light speed to understand the makeup of matter'. I'm sure some pessimistic person bemoaned the fact that the money would have been better spent on the homeless or children's education. Needless to say the internet has probably done more for both than a few hundred million Swiss Franc's could have ever done.
Without going into massive detail, land speed records have taught the engineering community plenty. There's a better understanding of high strength alloys and the behaviour of supersonic air close to ground was largely unknown previous to Thrust SSC. I suspect there's also many other safety systems that have been created as a result of previous land speed records, and many of the early advancements of tyres were as a result of a need to do higher speeds for land speed records.
In my opinion, the moment we stop pushing to do ever more crazy things like land speed records, missions to Mars or particle accelerators is the day that we condemn our species and the entirety of human history to extinction on this tiny spit of sand. If we're ever going to exist longer than another few thousand years, we have to keep the momentum.
RacerMike said:
binnerboy said:
gigglebug said:
What technologies or processes learnt from the last land speed record have been translated into something that is in wide use today?
What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
This project will give mounds of data about turbulent fluid flow, supersonic fluid flow, materials science, and aerodynamics. I expect other areas of engineering and science will also benefit from the data and findings. It is impossible to say what direct benefits there will be. There were unexpected benefits of the space programme. By taking things to an extreme and pushing boundaries we learn unexpected and new things. What technologies or processes from this attempt will there be that will translate into something that could be widely used in the future?
Did/will the development of certain components to be able to perform safely and reliably at this level have a trickle down effect to future projects within everyday products?
Plus i think it is cool and should be done because we haven't done it before.
As humans, we are where we are through exploration. That you're typing on your keyboard, pressing submit and watching it appear on an Internet Forum, is only a thing because CERN needed a way to transport the data from a 'pointless' particle experiment several km away, back to the research lab the other side of their Particle Accelerator. When the people at CERN drew the budget together to make it, they didn't have listed 'we envisage that as a result of this, we'll develop the first communication protocol in the world that will enable the networking of every person in the world to everyone else, and all of human knowledge ever created'. They listed 'we'll be looking at the results of particle collisions at near light speed to understand the makeup of matter'. I'm sure some pessimistic person bemoaned the fact that the money would have been better spent on the homeless or children's education. Needless to say the internet has probably done more for both than a few hundred million Swiss Franc's could have ever done.
Without going into massive detail, land speed records have taught the engineering community plenty. There's a better understanding of high strength alloys and the behaviour of supersonic air close to ground was largely unknown previous to Thrust SSC. I suspect there's also many other safety systems that have been created as a result of previous land speed records, and many of the early advancements of tyres were as a result of a need to do higher speeds for land speed records.
In my opinion, the moment we stop pushing to do ever more crazy things like land speed records, missions to Mars or particle accelerators is the day that we condemn our species and the entirety of human history to extinction on this tiny spit of sand. If we're ever going to exist longer than another few thousand years, we have to keep the momentum.
My original post was aimed at someone who, along with a banging head emoji, accused someone of having no idea of the big picture suggesting that he himself did. Bizarrely his next response was to offer nothing more than to say "I've no idea"
Edited by gigglebug on Wednesday 10th July 15:10
CS Garth said:
You asked. He answered. No need to be a tit.
And when responding to my post, and it's specific questions, he began his answer with this;RacerMike said:
It always frustrates me how many people fail to understand the importance of pushing boundaries and exploring.
Now seeing as my questions in no shape or form questioned the need to push boundaries in general, and indeed were just appropriate for this single project and it's predecessor - more specifically what we had learnt or could learn from them, I found it a very patronising and completely unnecessary way to begin forming a response. Maybe if he had bothered to read all of the original post he would have spotted this;gigglebug said:
These are genuine questions as I have no idea;
I'll go even further and say that the single part of his response that actually addresses the questions that I asked is this;RacerMike said:
There's a better understanding of high strength alloys and the behaviour of supersonic air close to ground was largely unknown previous to Thrust SSC.
The rest just appears to be sanctimonious waffle for the sake of trying to justify a viewpoint that wasn't even being challenged. Presumably you are all for that example of being 'a tit'?
Edited by gigglebug on Wednesday 10th July 16:10
morgs_ said:
j90gta said:
This has engaged plenty of children through many school science projects. My son was one of those youngsters who had his name included in the original livery; presume this won't be part of any proposed new sponsorship.
If you're talking about names on the tail, BLSR have said they're keeping them I for one am overjoyed to see this. Followed from the early days and can't wait to see the car being run in anger.
Sandpit Steve said:
Exactly! This thread is worse than the VW ID.R Goodwood thread already - aren’t we supposed to celebrate mad people doing things because they can, beating records because they exist, doing things that haven’t been done before by pushing man and machine to the limit? Are we going to be booing the Silverstone lap record getting smashed on Saturday too?
The world’s a much better place for having people like Richard Noble and Andy Green around, good luck to them and their mad 1000mph rocket car
Exactly what relevance does this response have to my post or the questions within it?? Did you only read the quoted text and not bother to read the full post either?The world’s a much better place for having people like Richard Noble and Andy Green around, good luck to them and their mad 1000mph rocket car
Could you point to any suggestions made by myself that I hold beliefs which are comparative with your rebuttal?
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