RE: Mini Electric is here!
Discussion
Herbs said:
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/17...
Tesco in Bournemouth went live this week and they are free!
I've been to a few of the initial units that were installed probably two years ago, mainly destination chargers but also a rapid is available at Slough Tesco. It's been slow to gain speed but the announcement last year seems to be a big commitment from Tesco.Tesco in Bournemouth went live this week and they are free!
The Crack Fox said:
Deep Thought said:
I dont think necessarily that one of these will save you money compared to running a new Cooper, but i dont think thats the point of EV. Its not to save money, its to not run on fossil fuels?
I agree. And my rambling point was that an EV Mini then becomes a luxury item, chosen for it's perceived environmental credentials, perhaps consumers would pay a few quid more for a green product but not (per the example I quoted) double the price of an ordinary Mini. The Crack Fox said:
I maintain that in order to gain mass market volumes in the mainstream car market, manufacturers need to make an EV do everything an ICE car does, AND something else.
It's an interesting quandary.
I think they're getting close now with "doing everything an ICE car does" with this. Certainly for the bulk of peoples use case anyway. And RE: the "AND something else" - why? What else does it need to do, and maybe the AND something else is not using fossil fuels?It's an interesting quandary.
Yes, an interesting quandary all round as you say though.
I'm quite enthused about the MINI e though. I think its a big step in the right direction and one of only a few "normal" looking EVs and possibly the only (affordable) potentially FUN one.
The Crack Fox said:
Deep Thought said:
I dont think necessarily that one of these will save you money compared to running a new Cooper, but i dont think thats the point of EV. Its not to save money, its to not run on fossil fuels?
I agree. And my rambling point was that an EV Mini then becomes a luxury item, chosen for it's perceived environmental credentials, perhaps consumers would pay a few quid more for a green product but not (per the example I quoted) double the price of an ordinary Mini. I maintain that in order to gain mass market volumes in the mainstream car market, manufacturers need to make an EV do everything an ICE car does, AND something else.
It's an interesting quandary.
Take running costs into account and it starts stacking up.
You also need to remember that it is early tech - that always comes with a premium that will soon drop. Remember how much DVD players and LED TV's were!
Herbs said:
The Crack Fox said:
Deep Thought said:
I dont think necessarily that one of these will save you money compared to running a new Cooper, but i dont think thats the point of EV. Its not to save money, its to not run on fossil fuels?
I agree. And my rambling point was that an EV Mini then becomes a luxury item, chosen for it's perceived environmental credentials, perhaps consumers would pay a few quid more for a green product but not (per the example I quoted) double the price of an ordinary Mini. I maintain that in order to gain mass market volumes in the mainstream car market, manufacturers need to make an EV do everything an ICE car does, AND something else.
It's an interesting quandary.
Take running costs into account and it starts stacking up.
The Crack Fox said:
That's very handy, thanks. It tells me that for 24k miles a year the cheapest option is a Renault Zoe. Can you imagine the sheer hell of driving one of those things for 24k miles? The range is crap, the reliability is crap, and your spreadsheet doesn't put a cost on the time you waste topping the battery up when you're on the road. Interesting, but I'll buy another old diesel, or frugal new petrol, methinks.
I have done 43k miles in my Zoe during the last 17 months so I am probably qualified to comment. The range is between 120 and 185 miles depending on how I drive and the ambient tempeature, this is usually enough but I regularly plug it in between journies at a charger near my office so I have never had a problem.
I have never had a reliability issue.
I don't waste any time topping it up, I charge it at home, when I am in the office and sometimes when I stop for lunch or dinner, very occasionally I will sit in it when it is charging and make phone calls, answer emails etc.
I enjoy driving it on Perthshire backroads and it actually handles very well if you are smooth, with the batteries under the floor, the weight distribution feels pretty good.
I save more in fuel, servicing and tax than it costs to lease so it works out very well for me financially and that was the main motivation for buying it.
Edited by Pooh on Friday 12th July 17:00
Evanivitch said:
DonkeyApple said:
Half the households in the UK do not have access to off street parking. Such people generally won’t be bothering with EVs.
Why not? Rapid charger at the gym/supermarket/hub and you're good for 200 miles that week.
Current deal on a Cooper hatch sport is £2k down and £260/month over 4 years (40k miles), which is about £3800 less than the EV but 40k miles at 50mpg is over £4k.
Electricity would be about £1k so the EV is slightly more expensive but RFL would drop the difference to about £600.
So broadly similar as a private buyer and just depends on personal preference.
The big difference comes if you're a company car driver or business owner as BIK is 29% vs 0%.
Electricity would be about £1k so the EV is slightly more expensive but RFL would drop the difference to about £600.
So broadly similar as a private buyer and just depends on personal preference.
The big difference comes if you're a company car driver or business owner as BIK is 29% vs 0%.
SOL111 said:
The big difference comes if you're a company car driver or business owner as BIK is 29% vs 0%.
Not forgetting the 100% first year WDA if it’s a company purchase (low emissions allowance), that could “reduce” the upfront cost by £5-10k (depending on tax rates, profits and entity type), making it inordinately cheaper than a company run petrol any-bloody-thing.Deep Thought said:
Nik Gnashers said:
A MINI is not 'significantly smaller than a Fiesta ffs, it's significantly smaller than a Range Rover though.
40cm is f
k all, you're clutching at straws now.
If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
Awww! Bless your little cotton socks!40cm is f
k all, you're clutching at straws now.If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
Another little Snowflake who thinks the world revolves around them and their specific needs!
My phone is used for work and leisure purposes and i use about 60% of its charge every day. Some days 75%. I simply plug it in beside my bed every night and its ready to go the following morning again. If i'd an electric car i'd do the same. Full charge daily. No issues. Doing that doesnt mean its less efficient by the way....
Again i'd have no issues putting a high capacity charging point in one of our garages, and plug the car in when its parked. Not an issue. Simple actually.
Sorry your personal circumstances cant make an electric car like this work. Heres a thought - maybe its not for you?
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 11th July 22:31
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 11th July 22:39
Just because YOU choose to waste energy, means that anyone else trying to conserve energy and be more efficient is a 'snowflake' (quite a gay insult there little man).
Just because YOU have 'no issues' putting a high capacity charging point into your garage, does not answer my point about what if you don't even have a driveway, let alone a garage. NOT 'simple' actually if you don't have either is it little man.
So, accusing me of only thinking about MYself when in fact you have clearly shown us all that you are only thinking about YOURself, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and realise what a hypocrite you are. Or you could just shut the f
k up and stop embarrassing yourself, either/or little man.SOL111 said:
Nik Gnashers said:
If you need to charge your phone every night, unlike me who charges it once every 6 days, then you are using a lot more energy. This is the whole point of energy efficient electric vehicles.
It might be a huge faff if you don't have a high capacity charging point at your house, and 1 or 2 other vehicles to move around in order to get your electric vehicle close enough to the house for the extension lead to reach.
More choice is a good thing, that was not my point. My point was, this MINI is way behind in technology and efficiency.
You are the dim one, because you can't seem to comprehend the points I have made and form any sort of counter argument, dimwit.
I think the fundamental error in your assessment is that there's no such car that will equate to the phone example you've given. Yes some are slightly more economical but not by those margins.It might be a huge faff if you don't have a high capacity charging point at your house, and 1 or 2 other vehicles to move around in order to get your electric vehicle close enough to the house for the extension lead to reach.
More choice is a good thing, that was not my point. My point was, this MINI is way behind in technology and efficiency.
You are the dim one, because you can't seem to comprehend the points I have made and form any sort of counter argument, dimwit.
Some EVs may only need charging once every 6 days but that's because of bigger batteries. Essentially they'll all consume the same, just all at once instead of every day or so.
The mini will actually be one of the most efficient by virtue of its low mass. It's the same setup as my i3 so one of the better ones.
The convenience thing has been done to death and really is personal. For instance, I've an 8m cable that can reach all 4 of my parking spaces without anyone moving. I think most people would position their charger(s) for optimal charge capability.
Edited by SOL111 on Thursday 11th July 22:30
I'm lucky I have a driveway, but most of the other houses in my cul-de-sac can't even park in the same street. How are they going to charge their cars unless the government put wireless charging points under every streetlamp or something ?
You are lucky you can reach your cars with an extension, but are not thinking about the millions of others who cant. For them having a vehicle with a large range is crucial, because they might only be able to charge it once a week at the supermarket for example, and a Kona will last them a full week on one charge.
Now can you understand my point ?
Nik Gnashers said:
Deep Thought said:
Nik Gnashers said:
A MINI is not 'significantly smaller than a Fiesta ffs, it's significantly smaller than a Range Rover though.
40cm is fk all, you're clutching at straws now.
If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
Awww! Bless your little cotton socks!40cm is f
k all, you're clutching at straws now.If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
Another little Snowflake who thinks the world revolves around them and their specific needs!
My phone is used for work and leisure purposes and i use about 60% of its charge every day. Some days 75%. I simply plug it in beside my bed every night and its ready to go the following morning again. If i'd an electric car i'd do the same. Full charge daily. No issues. Doing that doesnt mean its less efficient by the way....
Again i'd have no issues putting a high capacity charging point in one of our garages, and plug the car in when its parked. Not an issue. Simple actually.
Sorry your personal circumstances cant make an electric car like this work. Heres a thought - maybe its not for you?
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 11th July 22:31
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 11th July 22:39
Just because YOU choose to waste energy, means that anyone else trying to conserve energy and be more efficient is a 'snowflake' (quite a gay insult there little man).
Just because YOU have 'no issues' putting a high capacity charging point into your garage, does not answer my point about what if you don't even have a driveway, let alone a garage. NOT 'simple' actually if you don't have either is it little man.
So, accusing me of only thinking about MYself when in fact you have clearly shown us all that you are only thinking about YOURself, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and realise what a hypocrite you are. Or you could just shut the f
k up and stop embarrassing yourself, either/or little man.Firstly - Snowflake isnt a gay reference. Its a reference to the "Snowflake Generation". Look it up.
YOU said "if you havent got a high capacity charging point at YOUR house" - i was replying to that. I wouldnt have an issue with it. As has been pointed out to you subsequently, 50% of the country wont have an issue with this. If YOU do, then maybe this car isnt for you? Doesnt mean it wont be a success.
I'm not a hypocrite. I dont have an electric car, however i'm not so narrow minded as to think either (a) a car like this could suit a LOT of people, or (b) that this isnt just progress towards an end game whereby we're all in electric cars.
And as i said, if you read all the replies to your post, i think you'll find its you whos embarrassing themselves....
Oh and "little man"?
DonkeyApple said:
Nik Gnashers said:
A MINI is not 'significantly smaller than a Fiesta ffs, it's significantly smaller than a Range Rover though.
40cm is fk all, you're clutching at straws now.
If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
I think it’s important to put this ‘driveway’ issue to bed. 40cm is f
k all, you're clutching at straws now.If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
If someone has no legs then they aren’t going to be buying shoes. If someone has no means to domestically charge an EV then like the legless gentleman and his instinctive appreciation that he has no need to buy shoes, that person is not going to buy an EV outside of very particular circumstances.
What type of person would buy a product that they have absolutely no need of and no means to use? A vegetable. A complete vegetable.
Half the households in the UK do not have access to off street parking. Such people generally won’t be bothering with EVs.
But to raise this as an issue is just very odd as it all seems rather obvious that someone who has no means to use a product would not generally be interested in buying that product.
If we think of any non essential product that half the population or more cannot use and no one has any true need for, do people take to the internet to scream that the product is bad because only half the population have the means to use it if they wish to? Of course not. That would be absolutely mental. The rankings of a loon. But why is it any different with a car?
It is utterly irrelevant that half the people in the UK do not have the means to home charge. 70 million non EV cars are built on this planet every year versus just 2m pure EVs.
Take a look at yourself. You do not need an EV. No one is telling you that you have to have an EV. And yet you are in the internet screaming about not having the means to charge something that you don’t need and don’t have to have? You’re basically standing in the park, holding a Tesco bag of treasures and shouting at pigeons.
Until the government put wireless charging points under every streetlamp, which isn't going to happen very quickly is it going by the state of the potholes they can't find the cash to mend, then the accessability of charging is actually crucial in the decision as to which EV people are going to choose.
I drive an oil burner, a BMW, but I am being forced and taxed off the road. I work for Hyundai, and know all about the challenges drivers are going to face in the near future. I want to switch to an EV myself, and need something which will allow me to go a week between charges yet allow me to get to work & back every day. I do not have a charging point, nor do I want to trail an extension out of my window to my car every night on the drive, using my slow-charging 240v adapter cable.
Do you think I am somehow 'different' to millions of other drivers ?
If I am shouting at pigeons you are a caveman shouting at a stone, please drag yourself into the real and modern world.
Nik Gnashers said:
Again, I put forward : what if you don't have a parking space, driveway, garage etc. Many of us don't.
Then either use a public charging point or dont buy an electric car until the infrastructure improves. This doesnt seem difficult? Nik Gnashers said:
I'm lucky I have a driveway, but most of the other houses in my cul-de-sac can't even park in the same street. How are they going to charge their cars unless the government put wireless charging points under every streetlamp or something ?
See above postNik Gnashers said:
You are lucky you can reach your cars with an extension, but are not thinking about the millions of others who cant. For them having a vehicle with a large range is crucial, because they might only be able to charge it once a week at the supermarket for example, and a Kona will last them a full week on one charge.
Now can you understand my point ?
No - because for those people - DONT GET THIS MINI!Now can you understand my point ?
Simples.
Doesnt mean this car, or similar isnt a viable product for a lot of people.
Nik Gnashers said:
I have some news for you. Like it or not, soon we will all have to drive EV's.
Until the government put wireless charging points under every streetlamp, which isn't going to happen very quickly is it going by the state of the potholes they can't find the cash to mend, then the accessability of charging is actually crucial in the decision as to which EV people are going to choose.
I drive an oil burner, a BMW, but I am being forced and taxed off the road. I work for Hyundai, and know all about the challenges drivers are going to face in the near future. I want to switch to an EV myself, and need something which will allow me to go a week between charges yet allow me to get to work & back every day. I do not have a charging point, nor do I want to trail an extension out of my window to my car every night on the drive, using my slow-charging 240v adapter cable.
Do you think I am somehow 'different' to millions of other drivers ?
If I am shouting at pigeons you are a caveman shouting at a stone, please drag yourself into the real and modern world.
Who said it was going to happen quickly?Until the government put wireless charging points under every streetlamp, which isn't going to happen very quickly is it going by the state of the potholes they can't find the cash to mend, then the accessability of charging is actually crucial in the decision as to which EV people are going to choose.
I drive an oil burner, a BMW, but I am being forced and taxed off the road. I work for Hyundai, and know all about the challenges drivers are going to face in the near future. I want to switch to an EV myself, and need something which will allow me to go a week between charges yet allow me to get to work & back every day. I do not have a charging point, nor do I want to trail an extension out of my window to my car every night on the drive, using my slow-charging 240v adapter cable.
Do you think I am somehow 'different' to millions of other drivers ?
If I am shouting at pigeons you are a caveman shouting at a stone, please drag yourself into the real and modern world.
How are you being "taxed off the road"? Taxation hasnt changed on diesels?
Deep Thought said:
Nik Gnashers said:
Deep Thought said:
Nik Gnashers said:
A MINI is not 'significantly smaller than a Fiesta ffs, it's significantly smaller than a Range Rover though.
40cm is fk all, you're clutching at straws now.
If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
Awww! Bless your little cotton socks!40cm is f
k all, you're clutching at straws now.If you charge your phone every night, and your car too, then my phone which I charge every 6 days is much more energy efficient than yours, and I'd like a car that is the same too. If you haven't got a high capacity charging point at your house, and not many of us have, then trying to reach your car with an extension cable IS a hassle, What happens if you don't have a driveway, how are you going to charge it then ?
You haven't really thought this through have you, stupid.........
Another little Snowflake who thinks the world revolves around them and their specific needs!
My phone is used for work and leisure purposes and i use about 60% of its charge every day. Some days 75%. I simply plug it in beside my bed every night and its ready to go the following morning again. If i'd an electric car i'd do the same. Full charge daily. No issues. Doing that doesnt mean its less efficient by the way....
Again i'd have no issues putting a high capacity charging point in one of our garages, and plug the car in when its parked. Not an issue. Simple actually.
Sorry your personal circumstances cant make an electric car like this work. Heres a thought - maybe its not for you?
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 11th July 22:31
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 11th July 22:39
Just because YOU choose to waste energy, means that anyone else trying to conserve energy and be more efficient is a 'snowflake' (quite a gay insult there little man).
Just because YOU have 'no issues' putting a high capacity charging point into your garage, does not answer my point about what if you don't even have a driveway, let alone a garage. NOT 'simple' actually if you don't have either is it little man.
So, accusing me of only thinking about MYself when in fact you have clearly shown us all that you are only thinking about YOURself, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and realise what a hypocrite you are. Or you could just shut the f
k up and stop embarrassing yourself, either/or little man.Firstly - Snowflake isnt a gay reference. Its a reference to the "Snowflake Generation". Look it up.
YOU said "if you havent got a high capacity charging point at YOUR house" - i was replying to that. I wouldnt have an issue with it. As has been pointed out to you subsequently, 50% of the country wont have an issue with this. If YOU do, then maybe this car isnt for you? Doesnt mean it wont be a success.
I'm not a hypocrite. I dont have an electric car, however i'm not so narrow minded as to think either (a) a car like this could suit a LOT of people, or (b) that this isnt just progress towards an end game whereby we're all in electric cars.
And as i said, if you read all the replies to your post, i think you'll find its you whos embarrassing themselves....
Oh and "little man"?
I know exactly what it means, and I know exactly what you were trying to do.
2) YOU said "if you havent got a high capacity charging point at YOUR house" - i was replying to that. I wouldnt have an issue with it. As has been pointed out to you subsequently, 50% of the country wont have an issue with this. If YOU do, then maybe this car isnt for you? Doesnt mean it wont be a success.
My whole point is : we won't have a choice as to 'if' we want to use an EV in the future. I want to move forward but the infrastructure is simply not there for low range EV vehicles yet, in which case a long range EV is probably the only option for myself and millions of people like me. I quite like my oil burner but as already said, I'm being taxed off the road, and pressured about emissions, which to be fair, is quite a good reason to make the change to EV. We don't all burn coal in fireplaces to ehat our homes anymore, and for good reasons, the same is now happening with our vehicles, and faster than the infrastructure can keep up.
3) I'm not a hypocrite. I dont have an electric car, however i'm not so narrow minded as to think either (a) a car like this could suit a LOT of people, or (b) that this isnt just progress towards an end game whereby we're all in electric cars.
Wooooosh, I'm not even going to bother trying.
I'm here for adult debate, not childish arguments. If I could just take one tiny part of your posts as an example :
'Again i'd have no issues putting a high capacity charging point in one of our garages, and plug the car in when its parked. Not an issue. Simple actually.'
You have more than one garage, and can afford to have a high capacity charging point installed in one of them.
Please just for one moment, climb down from your gold plated horse and just try to think about the millions of people who all need to get to & from work every day, but don't even have one garage. Don't even have one driveway. Can't even park outside their own house. Work 10 or more hours a day and don't have to time to just 'pop down the gym and plug it in there' ..
Mate I'm not being an arse seriously, I just want you to think about being in 'those' circumstances, yet being forced to ditch ICE's by a government which is not exactly doing much to help the, lets put it like this, 'more average waged workers' to embrace to the new energy efficient and enviromentally acceptable ways of transport.
I hope that comes across as an adult and sensible debate.
Nik Gnashers said:
1) Firstly - Snowflake isnt a gay reference. Its a reference to the "Snowflake Generation". Look it up.
I know exactly what it means, and I know exactly what you were trying to do.
2) YOU said "if you havent got a high capacity charging point at YOUR house" - i was replying to that. I wouldnt have an issue with it. As has been pointed out to you subsequently, 50% of the country wont have an issue with this. If YOU do, then maybe this car isnt for you? Doesnt mean it wont be a success.
My whole point is : we won't have a choice as to 'if' we want to use an EV in the future. I want to move forward but the infrastructure is simply not there for low range EV vehicles yet, in which case a long range EV is probably the only option for myself and millions of people like me. I quite like my oil burner but as already said, I'm being taxed off the road, and pressured about emissions, which to be fair, is quite a good reason to make the change to EV. We don't all burn coal in fireplaces to ehat our homes anymore, and for good reasons, the same is now happening with our vehicles, and faster than the infrastructure can keep up.
3) I'm not a hypocrite. I dont have an electric car, however i'm not so narrow minded as to think either (a) a car like this could suit a LOT of people, or (b) that this isnt just progress towards an end game whereby we're all in electric cars.
Wooooosh, I'm not even going to bother trying.
I'm here for adult debate, not childish arguments. If I could just take one tiny part of your posts as an example :
'Again i'd have no issues putting a high capacity charging point in one of our garages, and plug the car in when its parked. Not an issue. Simple actually.'
You have more than one garage, and can afford to have a high capacity charging point installed in one of them.
Please just for one moment, climb down from your gold plated horse and just try to think about the millions of people who all need to get to & from work every day, but don't even have one garage. Don't even have one driveway. Can't even park outside their own house. Work 10 or more hours a day and don't have to time to just 'pop down the gym and plug it in there' ..
Mate I'm not being an arse seriously, I just want you to think about being in 'those' circumstances, yet being forced to ditch ICE's by a government which is not exactly doing much to help the, lets put it like this, 'more average waged workers' to embrace to the new energy efficient and enviromentally acceptable ways of transport.
I hope that comes across as an adult and sensible debate.
Alright, now you've stopped posturing...I know exactly what it means, and I know exactly what you were trying to do.
2) YOU said "if you havent got a high capacity charging point at YOUR house" - i was replying to that. I wouldnt have an issue with it. As has been pointed out to you subsequently, 50% of the country wont have an issue with this. If YOU do, then maybe this car isnt for you? Doesnt mean it wont be a success.
My whole point is : we won't have a choice as to 'if' we want to use an EV in the future. I want to move forward but the infrastructure is simply not there for low range EV vehicles yet, in which case a long range EV is probably the only option for myself and millions of people like me. I quite like my oil burner but as already said, I'm being taxed off the road, and pressured about emissions, which to be fair, is quite a good reason to make the change to EV. We don't all burn coal in fireplaces to ehat our homes anymore, and for good reasons, the same is now happening with our vehicles, and faster than the infrastructure can keep up.
3) I'm not a hypocrite. I dont have an electric car, however i'm not so narrow minded as to think either (a) a car like this could suit a LOT of people, or (b) that this isnt just progress towards an end game whereby we're all in electric cars.
Wooooosh, I'm not even going to bother trying.
I'm here for adult debate, not childish arguments. If I could just take one tiny part of your posts as an example :
'Again i'd have no issues putting a high capacity charging point in one of our garages, and plug the car in when its parked. Not an issue. Simple actually.'
You have more than one garage, and can afford to have a high capacity charging point installed in one of them.
Please just for one moment, climb down from your gold plated horse and just try to think about the millions of people who all need to get to & from work every day, but don't even have one garage. Don't even have one driveway. Can't even park outside their own house. Work 10 or more hours a day and don't have to time to just 'pop down the gym and plug it in there' ..
Mate I'm not being an arse seriously, I just want you to think about being in 'those' circumstances, yet being forced to ditch ICE's by a government which is not exactly doing much to help the, lets put it like this, 'more average waged workers' to embrace to the new energy efficient and enviromentally acceptable ways of transport.
I hope that comes across as an adult and sensible debate.
Stepping aside my comment about my particular circumstances, as has been pointed out, theres a very significant amount of people in the UK who CAN avail of current EV tech and cars like this MINI could suit them very well. Other cars like the Hyundai you mentioned could suit others.
Does the current offerings suit everyone? No.
Is the infrastructure ready for everyone? No.
Is anyone saying everyone has to embrace EV's right now? No.
However, i do believe cars like this - which broaden choice - are a step in the right direction. I personally dont want to drive about in something that looks like a noddy car and stuff like this MINI which looks relatively normal and a bit funky is something i could forsee myself driving. I think a lot of people will think similarly.
Deep Thought said:
Alright, now you've stopped posturing...
Stepping aside my comment about my particular circumstances, as has been pointed out, theres a very significant amount of people in the UK who CAN avail of current EV tech and cars like this MINI could suit them very well. Other cars like the Hyundai you mentioned could suit others.
Does the current offerings suit everyone? No.
Is the infrastructure ready for everyone? No.
Is anyone saying everyone has to embrace EV's right now? No.
However, i do believe cars like this - which broaden choice - are a step in the right direction. I personally dont want to drive about in something that looks like a noddy car and stuff like this MINI which looks relatively normal and a bit funky is something i could forsee myself driving. I think a lot of people will think similarly.
Fair points, and thank you.Stepping aside my comment about my particular circumstances, as has been pointed out, theres a very significant amount of people in the UK who CAN avail of current EV tech and cars like this MINI could suit them very well. Other cars like the Hyundai you mentioned could suit others.
Does the current offerings suit everyone? No.
Is the infrastructure ready for everyone? No.
Is anyone saying everyone has to embrace EV's right now? No.
However, i do believe cars like this - which broaden choice - are a step in the right direction. I personally dont want to drive about in something that looks like a noddy car and stuff like this MINI which looks relatively normal and a bit funky is something i could forsee myself driving. I think a lot of people will think similarly.
I'm slightly biased as I work for Hyundai. The MINI is quite a funky looking thing in my opinion (the i3 is just odd). I honestly don't see the MINi & the Kona as that far apart, except the much better range of the hyundai obviously.
Horses for courses as you say.
Nik Gnashers said:
Fair points, and thank you.
I'm slightly biased as I work for Hyundai. The MINI is quite a funky looking thing in my opinion (the i3 is just odd). I honestly don't see the MINi & the Kona as that far apart, except the much better range of the hyundai obviously.
Horses for courses as you say.
And i'm slightly biased as i had a 2018 Cooper S, loved it, but had to sell it. I'm slightly biased as I work for Hyundai. The MINI is quite a funky looking thing in my opinion (the i3 is just odd). I honestly don't see the MINi & the Kona as that far apart, except the much better range of the hyundai obviously.
Horses for courses as you say.
In reality, i wouldnt be adverse to the Kona. In fact, as we need a 5 door and an auto, it would be the car of choice of those two.
A work colleague is looking for an electric car - i'm near sure i heard him talk about the Kona. I must put him over it on monday and make sure hes aware of them.
Agreed RE: the i3. Far too odd looking.
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