RE: 2020 GT-R NISMO from ?175k
Discussion
leglessAlex said:
I 8 a 4RE said:
CrunkleFloop said:
Quick around the ring maybe. Phenomenally capable agreed but they're really not terribly exciting cars.
You would have far more fun peddling something like an Alfa GTV6 round.
Yeah this... You would have far more fun peddling something like an Alfa GTV6 round.
To me it is the epitome of everything that's wrong with current 'point and shoot' "sportscars".
Too easy to drive fast, 4WD, auto box, turbo to take away the noise...
I reckon you'd have more fun in an E30 325 with a welded diff?
Aren't these actually quite mechanical in many ways? It seems common for reviewers and people that have driven them to say that actually, although they seem like they would be from the spec sheet, that actually they aren't the playstation type car everyone thinks they are. Hydraulic steering, loads of feedback through the suspension, a gearbox that actually clunks and whines in a very mechanical way and so on.
The GT-R is unique (in my experience) in that it feels/sounds both mechanical but also makes you feel 2nd fiddle to all the electro trickery going on. Simply put anyone could drive one fast, it will corner at far higher speeds than most would dare to attempt and does far too much of the driving for you. You will also grow extraordinary tired of the scroats in Astra VX-R's (other "hot" hatches are available) driving like complete tools trying to pass you/race you from the lights. :-)
leglessAlex said:
I 8 a 4RE said:
CrunkleFloop said:
Quick around the ring maybe. Phenomenally capable agreed but they're really not terribly exciting cars.
You would have far more fun peddling something like an Alfa GTV6 round.
Yeah this... You would have far more fun peddling something like an Alfa GTV6 round.
To me it is the epitome of everything that's wrong with current 'point and shoot' "sportscars".
Too easy to drive fast, 4WD, auto box, turbo to take away the noise...
I reckon you'd have more fun in an E30 325 with a welded diff?
Aren't these actually quite mechanical in many ways? It seems common for reviewers and people that have driven them to say that actually, although they seem like they would be from the spec sheet, that actually they aren't the playstation type car everyone thinks they are. Hydraulic steering, loads of feedback through the suspension, a gearbox that actually clunks and whines in a very mechanical way and so on.
Edited by markclow on Wednesday 10th July 17:29
Edited by markclow on Wednesday 10th July 17:30
Monstrous car with a monstrous price tag, but no one has to buy the Nismo version. For those who want a special edition ultimate GT-R, money no object, this is a machine to behold. I’d add one to my millionaire garage. Then I’d only drive it once a month to the paper shop on a Sunday morning just to annoy the frothing Pistonheads massive 
That is an awful lot of money for a car that is now pretty old. It places it firmly in the world of pretty serious machinery; I know these are immensely fast etc but I have no desire to own one. I respect it, a lot, but I don't want it.
One thing I will say, is that they don't look huge any more. The first time I saw one in the flesh, it looked bloody huge. Now, they don't really look that big at all as other cars have got so large.
One thing I will say, is that they don't look huge any more. The first time I saw one in the flesh, it looked bloody huge. Now, they don't really look that big at all as other cars have got so large.
jorders500 said:
Looks and sounds great. The Nissan badge may actually be a draw for some potential owners - it says you care about driving more than badges.
Agree, I'm sure there are plenty enough fanboys out there to snap these up regardless of what the rest of us think. Heck, they could do one at 250k and people would still be lining up to buy it. There is plenty enough money in the far east for people to want the latest and greatest of their favorite car.
CrunkleFloop said:
leglessAlex said:
I 8 a 4RE said:
CrunkleFloop said:
Quick around the ring maybe. Phenomenally capable agreed but they're really not terribly exciting cars.
You would have far more fun peddling something like an Alfa GTV6 round.
Yeah this... You would have far more fun peddling something like an Alfa GTV6 round.
To me it is the epitome of everything that's wrong with current 'point and shoot' "sportscars".
Too easy to drive fast, 4WD, auto box, turbo to take away the noise...
I reckon you'd have more fun in an E30 325 with a welded diff?
Aren't these actually quite mechanical in many ways? It seems common for reviewers and people that have driven them to say that actually, although they seem like they would be from the spec sheet, that actually they aren't the playstation type car everyone thinks they are. Hydraulic steering, loads of feedback through the suspension, a gearbox that actually clunks and whines in a very mechanical way and so on.
The GT-R is unique (in my experience) in that it feels/sounds both mechanical but also makes you feel 2nd fiddle to all the electro trickery going on. Simply put anyone could drive one fast, it will corner at far higher speeds than most would dare to attempt and does far too much of the driving for you. You will also grow extraordinary tired of the scroats in Astra VX-R's (other "hot" hatches are available) driving like complete tools trying to pass you/race you from the lights. :-)
Genuinely a great car, especially with a few very small modifications. They should have made it 150kg lighter with a better gearbox for the money. Might as well buy a MY17, lighten it, mash a bit more castor into the front, change the tyres to Cup2s, change the brakes and enjoy yourself. They don't need more power, although throttle response is usually a lot better after a remap. Historically the nissan warranty was crap anyway!
adambcvg said:
Yeah but to actually drive one fast you have to turn it off. The standard traction control is utter, utter balls. Then they change, shrink around you etc. They have steering and chassis feel, you can tell where the power is going and adjust the throttle to compensate.
Genuinely a great car, especially with a few very small modifications. They should have made it 150kg lighter with a better gearbox for the money. Might as well buy a MY17, lighten it, mash a bit more castor into the front, change the tyres to Cup2s, change the brakes and enjoy yourself. They don't need more power, although throttle response is usually a lot better after a remap. Historically the nissan warranty was crap anyway!
You mean turn the switches to R - R - R?Genuinely a great car, especially with a few very small modifications. They should have made it 150kg lighter with a better gearbox for the money. Might as well buy a MY17, lighten it, mash a bit more castor into the front, change the tyres to Cup2s, change the brakes and enjoy yourself. They don't need more power, although throttle response is usually a lot better after a remap. Historically the nissan warranty was crap anyway!
Or
VDC off?
Edited by markclow on Wednesday 10th July 20:59
CrunkleFloop said:
They are indeed very mechanical in terms of noise and clunks. You KNOW you've changed gear, especially at low speed. I was more referring to the fun you get from actually "driving" a car; i.e adjusting throttle inputs and balancing the car mid corner and enjoying a lovely engine sound. IMHO the most fun can be had when you feel part of the car (cliché I know)
The GT-R is unique (in my experience) in that it feels/sounds both mechanical but also makes you feel 2nd fiddle to all the electro trickery going on. Simply put anyone could drive one fast, it will corner at far higher speeds than most would dare to attempt and does far too much of the driving for you. You will also grow extraordinary tired of the scroats in Astra VX-R's (other "hot" hatches are available) driving like complete tools trying to pass you/race you from the lights. :-)
I have owned 4 Gtrs and my latest is actually a nismo. I am afraid that it’s not the case that anyone can drive them fast, well certainly not on a public road and safely.The nismo can indeed corner very quickly just like a lot of cars but can be a real handful, mine certainly doesn’t do the driving for me. It is a very hardcore beast! The current Gtr is an astonishing piece of kit and is still up there with some of the best, even after 10 years. I do agree the new nismo is very pricey but very exclusive, I wouldn’t think twice about buying another! The GT-R is unique (in my experience) in that it feels/sounds both mechanical but also makes you feel 2nd fiddle to all the electro trickery going on. Simply put anyone could drive one fast, it will corner at far higher speeds than most would dare to attempt and does far too much of the driving for you. You will also grow extraordinary tired of the scroats in Astra VX-R's (other "hot" hatches are available) driving like complete tools trying to pass you/race you from the lights. :-)
wjs said:
I have owned 4 Gtrs and my latest is actually a nismo. I am afraid that it’s not the case that anyone can drive them fast, well certainly not on a public road and safely.The nismo can indeed corner very quickly just like a lot of cars but can be a real handful, mine certainly doesn’t do the driving for me. It is a very hardcore beast! The current Gtr is an astonishing piece of kit and is still up there with some of the best, even after 10 years. I do agree the new nismo is very pricey but very exclusive, I wouldn’t think twice about buying another!
I think many poor drivers could drive one quickly into a ditch, but compared to something like a TVR they are a doddle to drive fairly quickly.The danger with them is they get so fast so quickly that before you know it your doing 100 round a corner, not a position its easy to get with many other cars.
I've been saved more than once by the TC round bends that would have put me in a ditch without it.
Not easy to drive safely on the limit thats for sure
borat52 said:
I think many poor drivers could drive one quickly into a ditch, but compared to something like a TVR they are a doddle to drive fairly quickly.
The danger with them is they get so fast so quickly that before you know it your doing 100 round a corner, not a position its easy to get with many other cars.
I've been saved more than once by the TC round bends that would have put me in a ditch without it.
Not easy to drive safely on the limit without TC thats for sure
The danger with them is they get so fast so quickly that before you know it your doing 100 round a corner, not a position its easy to get with many other cars.
I've been saved more than once by the TC round bends that would have put me in a ditch without it.
Not easy to drive safely on the limit without TC thats for sure
I really like this car and I guess the only way I’d buy it is if I suddenly became a millionaire and could buy other super cars as well. It wouldn’t be my only toy, not special enough to warrant that kind of money. I’d have it in Bayside blue though without the red accents.
I hope the price of this doesn’t mean the R36 will cost similar or more. The best thing about the R35 was how it was a lot cheaper than it’s rivals and offering similar, if not better performance at the time when it come out. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that the successor will be something similar to the latest NSX.
How did Nissan do it at the time, imagine a new R36 coming out now lapping the ring quicker than 911 turbo’s and GT3’s while costing a lot less, what do the experts reckon, could it be done again or will the R36 be similar to the NSX with a silly price tag followed by poor sales.
Also, unrelated, I wonder if the Nismo would beat the latest Bentley time at Pikes Peak, surely the GTR is the ultimate car.
I hope the price of this doesn’t mean the R36 will cost similar or more. The best thing about the R35 was how it was a lot cheaper than it’s rivals and offering similar, if not better performance at the time when it come out. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that the successor will be something similar to the latest NSX.
How did Nissan do it at the time, imagine a new R36 coming out now lapping the ring quicker than 911 turbo’s and GT3’s while costing a lot less, what do the experts reckon, could it be done again or will the R36 be similar to the NSX with a silly price tag followed by poor sales.
Also, unrelated, I wonder if the Nismo would beat the latest Bentley time at Pikes Peak, surely the GTR is the ultimate car.
Huge coin. These still float my boat however. Sampling a Track edition on circuit, monstrously fast, more tail happy than I’d anticipated made me wonder how on earth you could ever safely exploit one of these cars on the road apart from the odd furtive straight line fang. A second hand Track would be smarter money imo, silly premium for Nismo
In reality:-
1. Only a person with so much money it doesn't matter, consistently takes their car to a track, could hopefully actually drive it to the limit and doesn't care what badge is on it, is really going to get the most out of this.
2. Buyer 2 is the collector / speculator who will keep it in a darkened room for a few years, then pass it round other speculators with a similar outlook of cashing in on the next speculator that comes round. Car never actually sees the light of day never mind a road or track!
I don't see the point in paying £175k on something so focused for the road when the beneifts will be fine differences which will be difficult to exploit on a public road.
Paying £175k for a Nissan fails to compute as a daily or even as a weekend toy!
1. Only a person with so much money it doesn't matter, consistently takes their car to a track, could hopefully actually drive it to the limit and doesn't care what badge is on it, is really going to get the most out of this.
2. Buyer 2 is the collector / speculator who will keep it in a darkened room for a few years, then pass it round other speculators with a similar outlook of cashing in on the next speculator that comes round. Car never actually sees the light of day never mind a road or track!
I don't see the point in paying £175k on something so focused for the road when the beneifts will be fine differences which will be difficult to exploit on a public road.
Paying £175k for a Nissan fails to compute as a daily or even as a weekend toy!
Nors said:
Paying £175k for a Nissan fails to compute as a daily or even as a weekend toy!
Because of the brand? But why? What is the 'problem' with the Nissan brand? Company DNA stretches back well over 100 years, they were building race cars in the 1930s, war materiel in the 1930s and 1940s, electric cars in the late 1940s and went racing again in the late 1950s to improve the breed. They have been building world class cars since the late 1950s, merged with blue-blooded Japanese company Prince Motor Co in 1966 and have had an ongoing commitment to build sporting cars as well as all the pickups, trucks, buses, fork-lifts, satellite-carrying rockets and machine looms.
In my experience, many of the people who write off Nissan as a brand don't seem to know very much about the company.
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