RE: 2020 Volkswagen Golf GTI spied at 'Ring
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Getting funnier by the post!!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hot+hatch+defini...
You finding car A less exciting to drive than car B has absolutely no baring on whether car A qualifies as a hot hatch or not.
Why make the Porsche GT3RS. Is it because the GT3 doesn’t cut it? Both are still high performance coupes.
And so on, and so on........
Chestrockwell said:
Never said it was s
t! Just said it was boring compared to the Civic (which I sold for everyone’s information) so I’m trying to establish what a ‘hot hatch’ is?
You really don’t understand the definition of “hot hatch” do you!? Here you go, have a read so that you can join in properly. t! Just said it was boring compared to the Civic (which I sold for everyone’s information) so I’m trying to establish what a ‘hot hatch’ is?https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hot+hatch+defini...
You finding car A less exciting to drive than car B has absolutely no baring on whether car A qualifies as a hot hatch or not.
Chestrockwell said:
If the Golf GTI is so good and so engaging, why make the Club Sport?
Because the standard Golf GTI doesn’t cut it!
Why make an M3CS, is it because the M3 doesn’t cut it? Both are still performance saloons. Because the standard Golf GTI doesn’t cut it!
Why make the Porsche GT3RS. Is it because the GT3 doesn’t cut it? Both are still high performance coupes.
And so on, and so on........
Chestrockwell said:
I only used the Civic as an example as I owned one, let’s use a Megane Trophy as an example, are you telling me it’s in the same league as a standard Golf GTI?
Times have changed, 230 bhp doesn’t exactly cut it anymore when you’re talking hot hatches.
I don’t make the rules
But that is exactly what you are trying to do though even though it is clear that you really have no idea what you are talking about. It really doesn’t matter what car you compare the Golf GTI to as it has always been, and will always be, a hot hatch. Your personal lack of understanding, or reluctance to accept that, has no effect on the reality of it. Times have changed, 230 bhp doesn’t exactly cut it anymore when you’re talking hot hatches.
I don’t make the rules
Chestrockwell said:
Never said it was st! Just said it was boring compared to the Civic (which I sold for everyone’s information) so I’m trying to establish what a ‘hot hatch’ is?
If the Golf GTI is so good and so engaging, why make the Club Sport?
Because the standard Golf GTI doesn’t cut it!
I only used the Civic as an example as I owned one, let’s use a Megane Trophy as an example, are you telling me it’s in the same league as a standard Golf GTI?
Times have changed, 230 bhp doesn’t exactly cut it anymore when you’re talking hot hatches.
I don’t make the rules
A hot hatch is a faster version of a normal car; one handle the school run, trips to the dump etc yet be quick enough to have some fun in when the time allows. The Golf does this well, it might nit be the fastest nor most extreme version but it’ll do the mundane stuff exceptionally well. The infotainment system is leagues ahead of many of it’s rivals. Maybe not the most exciting thing, but on you commute to work it won’t piss you off. They’re still good to drive and tend to be well balanced, neutral cars. The limits will be high, like on all modern cars. They tend to perform better than their power figures would suggest. They’re not as involving as a CTR or a Megane RS, which is fine.t! Just said it was boring compared to the Civic (which I sold for everyone’s information) so I’m trying to establish what a ‘hot hatch’ is?If the Golf GTI is so good and so engaging, why make the Club Sport?
Because the standard Golf GTI doesn’t cut it!
I only used the Civic as an example as I owned one, let’s use a Megane Trophy as an example, are you telling me it’s in the same league as a standard Golf GTI?
Times have changed, 230 bhp doesn’t exactly cut it anymore when you’re talking hot hatches.
I don’t make the rules
I’ve also never come across a rubbish turning circle (as you previously mentioned) as a metric for a hot hatch.
As another poster pointed out, just because there is a TCR and a CS, doesn’t mean that the base car doesn’t cut it. It’s just another option.
Baldchap said:
It will do very well, it won't be boring (but it will be fashionable on here to say it is) and will be excellent to live with, just like the 7/7.5.
If you want a hot hatch that shakes your teeth out, is noisy & impractical, looks like someone ram raided Halfords and requires 10/10ths all the time, WTF are you buying a hatchback for? Buy a sports car. The whole reason for a hot hatch existing is to do hatch first and hot second - precisely what the Golf does (and excellently).
Well said sir!If you want a hot hatch that shakes your teeth out, is noisy & impractical, looks like someone ram raided Halfords and requires 10/10ths all the time, WTF are you buying a hatchback for? Buy a sports car. The whole reason for a hot hatch existing is to do hatch first and hot second - precisely what the Golf does (and excellently).
Chestrockwell said:
Court_S said:
Isn't describing it as a fast version of a Golf, pretty much summing up what a hot hatch is? A faster version of a fairly mundane car, one that is faster but can still work on school runs etc.
The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
I’m sorry but I drove the same Golf to Bicester Village from Surrey last week and it’s not a hot hatch, it’s nothing like my Civic Type R which admittedly is in a class above. That’s a hot hatch, silly turning circle, loud, responsive and sharp. My Civic used to egg me on, I could never drive it normally. The Golf? Just a very very good car, comfortable, smooth and quiet. It’s a Fast Golf, not a ‘Hot Hatch’, the Club Sport is probably different story. The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
You’re wrong on this one, unless you’ve driven a proper hot hatch extensively and a Golf GTI extensively, in that case, we’ll have to agree to disagree
A Golf GTi driven normally is just a Golf - a very civilised place to tick the miles by. Drive it like you stole it, and they are a completely different kettle of fish - in fact that's why I stopped running them, as you had to be driving them at 9/10ths for them to really come alive.
NGK210 said:
If the Mk8 R is going to have 329bhp and the TCR 296bhp, then presumably, when the latter’s lack of 4WD gubbins is considered, their bhp/tonne will be similar?
So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
what we don’t know is whether the R is using an electric hybrid. Comments from the management at VW indicated that it would, as would all other R products. So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
bodhi said:
Having spent a few years driving round in various Golf GTi's, I can tell you that, despite the fact that you've driven one, you haven't got it in the slightest.
A Golf GTi driven normally is just a Golf - a very civilised place to tick the miles by. Drive it like you stole it, and they are a completely different kettle of fish - in fact that's why I stopped running them, as you had to be driving them at 9/10ths for them to really come alive.
I think Chester's assessment of the car is heavily influenced by NVH and perception rather than genuine understanding of car dynamics, particularly for mere road cars. A Golf GTi driven normally is just a Golf - a very civilised place to tick the miles by. Drive it like you stole it, and they are a completely different kettle of fish - in fact that's why I stopped running them, as you had to be driving them at 9/10ths for them to really come alive.
Carl_Manchester said:
NGK210 said:
If the Mk8 R is going to have 329bhp and the TCR 296bhp, then presumably, when the latter’s lack of 4WD gubbins is considered, their bhp/tonne will be similar?
So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
what we don’t know is whether the R is using an electric hybrid. Comments from the management at VW indicated that it would, as would all other R products. So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
NGK210 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
NGK210 said:
If the Mk8 R is going to have 329bhp and the TCR 296bhp, then presumably, when the latter’s lack of 4WD gubbins is considered, their bhp/tonne will be similar?
So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
what we don’t know is whether the R is using an electric hybrid. Comments from the management at VW indicated that it would, as would all other R products. So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
Rumour on social media is that the R mule was/ is running this 48v electrical rig in testing:
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/02/20180228-...
I bought a new Golf GTI Performance in September 2019 to replace my 41/2 year (2015) old Golf GTI. I am really happy with the car and impressed with the 7 speed DSG box, the only extras I had were metallic paint, 19” wheels and privacy glass. I have read the road test reports in two magazines which I subscribe to and am glad I made the decision to change when I did. The criticism of the MK 8 was the difficult to operate media centre, as all knobs and buttons have been removed, making it very difficult to operate without taking your eyes of the road. There is also further evidence of cost cutting, paint work under the bonnet all one colour and not matching the colour of the car, and also the gas strut on the bonnet has been replaced by a 1960’s style prop. The plastics in the back of the car are “low rent” compared to outgoing model, and also increased road noise. As I said previously I’m glad I changed when I did, as I would not buy the MK 8, I’m a long term VW fan and have owned several, all new cars. I am not sure that VW has got it right this time, but of course only time will tell ?
llcoolmac said:
Now that is a dull looking car. Corolla is a better looking car.
the new Corolla really is a good design. Much cooler than the Golf.VW have it made though. You could put a Swastika on the front of every one, regardless of design and they would still sell more than the competitors.
David-rtn9t said:
Nice to see the are moving away from diamond cut alloys. Absolute pain to get refurbished.
You’re assuming the test mules have the same wheels that the final version has. I’ve always thought that when new Golfs are brought out the look of them is never particularly well received. I don’t remember thinking the MK7 was anything special, then I ended up owning four of them. They have a habit of maturing well, but sadly I just can’t see it with the MK8.
Makes me laugh when people moan about the GTI being slower than competitors and too ordinary looking. They've been saying these things for years.
Take the MK2 8 valve GTI, one of the most successful and best loved hot hatches of the 80s. Barely looked any different from a Golf Driver and had 112BHP when Peugeot or Vauxhall had 130 or 150 BHP.
The Golf GTI has always been about being the all rounder that you can use daily, will blend into the environment but still do the goods when you're cracking on. Its been a huge success so why would VW change that?
Take the MK2 8 valve GTI, one of the most successful and best loved hot hatches of the 80s. Barely looked any different from a Golf Driver and had 112BHP when Peugeot or Vauxhall had 130 or 150 BHP.
The Golf GTI has always been about being the all rounder that you can use daily, will blend into the environment but still do the goods when you're cracking on. Its been a huge success so why would VW change that?
No idea why the writer thinks it would have flared arches. That's not a Golf R trait at all. In fact, I think the 7.5R was probably the most tame yet. It was pretty hard to tell it from a GTD apart from the exhaust. I thought the 7R looked more interesting, as the side skirts were right and the front bumper looked deeper. It didn't help when they brought out the R-Line either, as that made the R look even less unique.
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